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All this talk about "expanding the SEC's footprint"
Posted on 9/3/11 at 8:26 am
Posted on 9/3/11 at 8:26 am
I keep hearing how important it is that the SEC "needs to expand its footprint," etc., etc. Yes, adding new states to the conference will likely expand TV viewership and bring in more money to conference members...but at what other costs?
I think that it would ultimately be far more healthy in the long run for the SEC consolidate its own power in the existing SEC states (and drive the ACC schools out of SEC country). Can you imagine the ferocity of "Intrastate Rivalry Saturday" with the existing season finale games like Florida-Florida State, Georgia-Georgia Tech, and South Carolina-Clemson actually being fought for a real championship (i.e., a division title) instead of just pride? Kentucky could also finally have a real season finale opponent with the addition of Louisville (and also improve the SEC's level of competition in basketball at the same time). Instead, the SEC seems almost like it is trying to implode itself by adding in schools with absolutely no historic rivalries with SEC schools (like Missouri, etc.). Weak....
I think that it would ultimately be far more healthy in the long run for the SEC consolidate its own power in the existing SEC states (and drive the ACC schools out of SEC country). Can you imagine the ferocity of "Intrastate Rivalry Saturday" with the existing season finale games like Florida-Florida State, Georgia-Georgia Tech, and South Carolina-Clemson actually being fought for a real championship (i.e., a division title) instead of just pride? Kentucky could also finally have a real season finale opponent with the addition of Louisville (and also improve the SEC's level of competition in basketball at the same time). Instead, the SEC seems almost like it is trying to implode itself by adding in schools with absolutely no historic rivalries with SEC schools (like Missouri, etc.). Weak....
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Posted on 9/3/11 at 8:48 am to TheDude321
you're speaking as a fan, college football is a business
Posted on 9/3/11 at 8:50 am to TheDude321
I'd love to see Clemson, FSU and Georgia Tech added to the conference with A&M. That would be awesome. Don't know if it's possible, but that's the conference I'd like to see.
Add Louisville Baylor for icing.
Add Louisville Baylor for icing.
Posted on 9/3/11 at 9:21 am to TheDude321
I think we should consolidate where it makes sense (FSU) and expand where we can maximize the benefit (TX) at minimal distance. We should strive to be the dominant player (or at least an equivalent peer) in the state we participate in. This means at least two teams in FL and TX which are the most populous and therefore most valuable.
TAMU and say TCU are only 200 miles west of the LA border, but it brings you a lot. FSU is in the heart of the SEC. I don't think Clemson or the GaTech is a threat to SEC dominance in any way. To get to 16 I would go north of SC to either NC or Virginia whose schools would also be as close.
Before anyone says TCU doesn't bring anything, well a lot of TAMU and SEC ex-pats would watch those games if they were in the SEC. Of course I'm assuming OK goes PAC with this.
TAMU and say TCU are only 200 miles west of the LA border, but it brings you a lot. FSU is in the heart of the SEC. I don't think Clemson or the GaTech is a threat to SEC dominance in any way. To get to 16 I would go north of SC to either NC or Virginia whose schools would also be as close.
Before anyone says TCU doesn't bring anything, well a lot of TAMU and SEC ex-pats would watch those games if they were in the SEC. Of course I'm assuming OK goes PAC with this.
Posted on 9/3/11 at 9:41 am to Indiana Tiger
Saying a lot of people would watch TCU if they were in the SEC is like saying a lot of people watch Vanderbilt because they are in the SEC. 4 or 5 good seasons in a non BCS conference does not build up the type of fan base necessary to justify giving someone 25 million a year to be in your conference. Dallas/Ft Worth is still overwhelmingly a Cowboys/Longhorns/Sooners/Aggies city. TCU is not much of a factor.
And please no one say "well they are better than Vandy."
And please no one say "well they are better than Vandy."
This post was edited on 9/3/11 at 9:43 am
Posted on 9/3/11 at 9:42 am to TheDude321
i see your point and "all other things equal", i agree with it. personally, i would like to see no expansion at all. i would not mind accepting texas a&m and dropping one of the schools that never seem to pay their way, even vandy. having said that, it seems that college football is determined as hell to participate in an "arms race". the landscape being the way it is, the SEC has to participate or get left behind. there will be winners and there will be losers. in some aspects, even the winners will be losers.
Posted on 9/3/11 at 10:41 am to TheDude321
dude this has nothing to do with wins and losses. It all about the Money
Posted on 9/3/11 at 12:23 pm to milton01
This has been discussed before, and it looks like the so-called "Gentlemen's Agreement" between Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, and Kentucky will not allow the addition of any school in an existing SEC state.
So no Florida State, no Clemson, no Georgia Tech, and no Louisville.
Not gonna happen for those schools. Deal with it.
So no Florida State, no Clemson, no Georgia Tech, and no Louisville.
Not gonna happen for those schools. Deal with it.
Posted on 9/3/11 at 12:42 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
TCU can't even fill their 44,000 seat stadium. Even in the past couple of years when they have had 12 win seasons. Yes there are a lot of TCU alumni in the Dallas/Forth Worth area, but same goes with A&M. A&M former students are all over the place. Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, South Texas. They wouldn't be that big of an addition.
Posted on 9/3/11 at 1:36 pm to Palooza11
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TCU can't even fill their 44,000 seat stadium. Even in the past couple of years when they have had 12 win seasons. Yes there are a lot of TCU alumni in the Dallas/Forth Worth area, but same goes with A&M. A&M former students are all over the place. Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, South Texas. They wouldn't be that big of an addition.
With their home schedule, most schools wouldn't do much better. They're expanding the stadium to the mid fifties, which would put them ahead of Vandy and about the same as MSU. I don't think Tthey would have a problem selling out A&M, LSU, Ark, Bama, AU etc. The really big games would probably be held in Jerry's world.
I'm not debating that TCU would bring a great big audience on their own, but a lot more people would watch them if they were in the SEC. The overall point of my post is that the SEC could use a 2nd team in TX. TCU would be my choice given their location and commitment to succeed.
Posted on 9/3/11 at 4:22 pm to Indiana Tiger
I think the number 1 consideration in expanding should be about improving the product which is SEC football. Will the SEC have better FB by adding the school?
Money will go to good football. I think the SC goofed in adding Arkansas and South Carolina in terms of markets and football quality.
Florida State would have been better, but that's ancient history now.
The big ten went almost 20 years with 11 members and they've added Penn State and Nebraska which meant football quality. The SEC shouldn't invite a school unless it means both markets and football qualtiy. Don't repeat the mistakes of Arkansas and South Carolina.
Money will go to good football. I think the SC goofed in adding Arkansas and South Carolina in terms of markets and football quality.
Florida State would have been better, but that's ancient history now.
The big ten went almost 20 years with 11 members and they've added Penn State and Nebraska which meant football quality. The SEC shouldn't invite a school unless it means both markets and football qualtiy. Don't repeat the mistakes of Arkansas and South Carolina.
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