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Debt Ceiling

Posted on 6/30/11 at 12:40 pm
Posted by chuckitdeep
Member since Nov 2008
730 posts
Posted on 6/30/11 at 12:40 pm
Could someone explain the debt ceiling controversey going on in Congress in simple terminology?
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37694 posts
Posted on 6/30/11 at 12:49 pm to
theoretically the debt ceiling is in place to put a limit on spending. Once this limit is reached, the treasury can not borrow any money to make up for the lack of money coming in.


Since we spend more than we make, the country would default on our loans.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19307 posts
Posted on 6/30/11 at 12:50 pm to
In simple terms, Congress has passed a law limiting the total amount that the Government can borrow. (Similar to the amount you're allowed to charge on your credit card.)

The Government is now approaching that limit ("maxing out the card", so to speak) so Congress is debating whether to increase the limit (like a bank may increase your credit line).

Some in Congress are arguing that we don't need to borrow any more $$$, but need to seriously cut spending. Others argue that if we don't increase the ceiling, we won't be able to pay the bills which are coming due.

Come on over to the Poli Board for more good discussion on this topic.
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 6/30/11 at 1:13 pm to
The US debt ceiling is over $14 trillion. Some people are worried we won't be able to pay our bills without borrowing more money. If we borrow more money, we would have to raise the debt ceiling higher than its current absurd maximum. I think the amount increase rumored was around $2.5 trillion, pushing the ceiling around $17 trillion.

At least that's how I understand it.
Posted by 19thHole
Working on my TPS reports
Member since Dec 2007
4908 posts
Posted on 6/30/11 at 1:25 pm to
I cannot wait to see this unfold, with the end result being the debt ceiling gets raised and the Republicans trying to position themselves for 2012
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162194 posts
Posted on 6/30/11 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

The US debt ceiling is over $14 trillion. Some people are worried we won't be able to pay our bills without borrowing more money. If we borrow more money, we would have to raise the debt ceiling higher than its current absurd maximum. I think the amount increase rumored was around $2.5 trillion, pushing the ceiling around $17 trillion.

At least that's how I understand it.

Then we'll be here 3 years down the road talking about raising it from the 17 trillion limit
Posted by Boh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
12357 posts
Posted on 6/30/11 at 1:29 pm to
quote:

Come on over to the Poli Board for more good discussion on this topic.

That place scares me
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26574 posts
Posted on 6/30/11 at 1:30 pm to
yeah, don't go over there
Posted by Interception
Member since Nov 2008
11089 posts
Posted on 6/30/11 at 1:37 pm to
Balance Budget Amendment is the only mechanism I can think of that can save us.
Posted by AUFanInSoCal
Orange County
Member since Nov 2007
1616 posts
Posted on 6/30/11 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

Balance Budget Amendment is the only mechanism I can think of that can save us.


I heard on the news this morning that tax revenues cover only 65% of gov't spending. We borrow an additional 35% to cover the rest?
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 6/30/11 at 2:56 pm to
Its not a financial battle, its a political battle and its disgusting. Politicians are the fricking worst ever.
Posted by MightierThePenIs
Member since Jan 2008
1510 posts
Posted on 6/30/11 at 3:43 pm to
Great credit card / credit limit analogy.

And since our gov uses it like many unemployed people,ie putting their daily living expenses on it, its only a matter of time before the gov ends up like unemployed americans, in bankruptcy.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41158 posts
Posted on 6/30/11 at 4:57 pm to
quote:

I heard on the news this morning that tax revenues cover only 65% of gov't spending. We borrow an additional 35% to cover the rest


We use to just take it out of the Social Security Trust Fund
Posted by Alphatiger721
Member since Jun 2009
210 posts
Posted on 6/30/11 at 10:50 pm to
Most people assume that Congress will ultimately raise the debt ceiling at least once more in order to avoid defaulting. The biggest thing is that Republicans want to attach something like a balanced budget amendment or significant spending cuts along with raising the debt ceiling one last time in order to send the message that enough is enough and the debt limit cannot keep just being raised whenever the credit card is "maxed out".

I think both sides ultimately agree that we have to reduce the deficit. The biggest area of contention now is how to do that, whether it be through higher taxes or spending cuts. Democrats want to focus on raising taxes, Republicans want government spending to go on a diet.
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 7/1/11 at 11:15 am to
The country absolutely has to cut its spending. I am not in favor of raising the debt ceiling at all, but whatever decision is reached has to include some form of massive cuts. War, healthcare, welfare, etc. are huge areas of spending that need to be reevaluated.
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