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444, 45-70, 35 wheelen
Posted on 1/5/11 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 1/5/11 at 10:10 pm
Looking at getting a gun for my dad for primitave arms. Was wondering wich had best balistics vs recoil and accuracy
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Posted on 1/5/11 at 10:20 pm to avid lurker
i have a 444 marlin and think it's great in those categories
Posted on 1/5/11 at 10:51 pm to Factsman
.45-70
I have an H&R Handi Rifle. Great gun and cheap too.
I have an H&R Handi Rifle. Great gun and cheap too.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 12:12 am to actiger60
.35 Whelen and it's not even close, unlose you throw in the recoil. I have shot them all, but mainly the 45-70 and .35 and it is not even close. None are bad, but really, it's not even close considering what the Whelen is capable of...
Posted on 1/6/11 at 12:23 am to hehatedrew
quote:
.35 Whelen and it's not even close, unlose you throw in the recoil. I have shot them all, but mainly the 45-70 and .35 and it is not even close. None are bad, but really, it's not even close considering what the Whelen is capable of...
Can't use the .35 in Louisiana (I believe)
I have the .45-70 and it shoots well. Have heard the .444 is better. I don't really worry about a rifle I will only use two or three times a year.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 12:28 am to TigerDeacon
quote:
Can't use the .35 in Louisiana (I believe)
Didn't know this.
As far as the .35, I have several friends who only use it, whether it's rifle or primitive season. They have it in the Encore. They choose to shoot it over .280's and 7 mags. Probably just because they like the Encore, but it really is unbelievable on the range. I can't understand how they can call something like it primitive...
Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:44 am to avid lurker
The .35 wheelen isn't approved for LA so that may be a factor. I purchased a 45-70 because that is what my local shop had at the time. I believe the .444 is a little more flat shooting.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:47 am to bayoudude
quote:
The .35 wheelen isn't approved for LA so that may be a factor. I purchased a 45-70 because that is what my local shop had at the time. I believe the .444 is a little more flat shooting
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:54 am to avid lurker
Does anybody know if the 444. has less recoil then the 45-70?
I started using my 45-70 3 years ago and didn't shoot a deer with another rifle until this year. The 45-70 is unbelievable. I personally haven't shot a deer further then 100 yards with it but have heard it is good up to between 150 - 200 yards. Probably closer to 150.
I started using my 45-70 3 years ago and didn't shoot a deer with another rifle until this year. The 45-70 is unbelievable. I personally haven't shot a deer further then 100 yards with it but have heard it is good up to between 150 - 200 yards. Probably closer to 150.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 8:12 am to NorthLABoy
35whelen is the correct answer, if you could hunt with it during primitive, which I'm pretty sure you can't. OMHO, the 45-70 and 444 are close to being a push.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 8:36 am to INFIDEL
this is a good thread. i am looking at the 444 and 45-70 at the local wally world.
this might help out according to ldwf:
Single shot, breech loading rifles,
.38 caliber or larger of a kind or
type manufactured prior to 1900
and replicas, reproductions or
reintroductions of that type rifle
having an exposed hammer that
use metallic cartridges loaded
either with black powder or modern
smokeless powder. All of the
above may be fitted with magnified
scopes.
this might help out according to ldwf:
Single shot, breech loading rifles,
.38 caliber or larger of a kind or
type manufactured prior to 1900
and replicas, reproductions or
reintroductions of that type rifle
having an exposed hammer that
use metallic cartridges loaded
either with black powder or modern
smokeless powder. All of the
above may be fitted with magnified
scopes.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 9:09 am to MsandLa
4 with Hornady Leverevoltion rounds!
.44Test Barrel (24") Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
Muzzle 100 200 300
2325/3180 1971/2285 1652/1606 1380/1120
Trajectory (inches)
Muzzle 100 200 300
-1.70 3.00 -1.40 -18.60
Posted on 1/6/11 at 9:12 am to tipup
I've got the Marlin .444 lever rifle, but for primitive I'm gonna get the 45-70 H&R. Thats just me though.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 9:28 am to 4X4DEMON
thanks for the info i was leaning towards the 35 wheelen but since its not legal in LA 45-70 it is 
Posted on 1/6/11 at 9:29 am to avid lurker
I'd consider the buffalo classic 45-70 if i was you. A little bit more $ but well worth it.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 9:33 am to Chad504boy
does that hae the tumbhole stock?
Posted on 1/6/11 at 9:48 am to avid lurker
35 Whelen is not legal in LA, but has the best ballistics and least recoil.
45-70 and 444 have about the same recoil. 444 shoots a little flatter and 45-70 has more energy (but, both the 35 and 444 have plenty enough energy).
I have a 444 H&R HandiRifle. I can get about 2" groups at 100 yards.
45-70 and 444 have about the same recoil. 444 shoots a little flatter and 45-70 has more energy (but, both the 35 and 444 have plenty enough energy).
I have a 444 H&R HandiRifle. I can get about 2" groups at 100 yards.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 9:48 am to avid lurker
I have the H&R .444, very pleased. They say good to 200y on whitetail.
Contacted H&R and ordered their synthetic survivor stock and forend. Awesome. Very lightweight. The pistol grip really helps with the recoil.
Contacted H&R and ordered their synthetic survivor stock and forend. Awesome. Very lightweight. The pistol grip really helps with the recoil.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 9:54 am to NorthLABoy
quote:
Does anybody know if the 444. has less recoil then the 45-70?
They are about the same. Not really a big factor though. My 7mm Mag kicks harder. The recoil from my 444 is more like someone pushing you really hard in the shoulder than a violent kick.
It will start to wear you out if it takes 15 or 20 shots to site in.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 9:56 am to Slickback
The .45-70 synthetic handi rifle shooting Hornady Leverevolutions is simply brutal on the shoulder. One shot at an animal is bearable but bench rest is down right torture. Make sure you have some damn good scope mounts.
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