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Apples to Apples -- comparing Miles and Brown

Posted on 9/13/10 at 11:36 am
Posted by The Third
Temple, Texas
Member since Jan 2010
145 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 11:36 am
This is a quote from Wikipedia.

“In his early years at he was sometimes referred to as "Coach February," a nickname that indicated he performed well during the important recruiting season, but failed to follow up with equally impressive wins on the field. His detractors felt that with all the resources at his disposal, combined with the talent he was recruiting from high school programs, that he should have more to show for it. They felt that he should be playing for conference titles or even national championships every year…”

Sound familiar?

That is what is said about William Mack Brown the highest salaried coach at a public institution with an annual salary of $5.1 million.

Below is a comparison of the first five years of Mack Brown as head football coach at the University of Texas and Les Miles as head football coach at Louisiana State University.


Year One
Brown - 9-3, won bowl game. Defeated Oklahoma
Miles - 11-2, won division, won bowl game, Defeated Alabama

Year Two
Brown - 9-5, won division, lost bowl game, Defeated Oklahoma
Miles - 11-2, won division, won conference, won bowl game, Defeated Alabama

Year Three
Brown - 9-3, lost bowl game, Lost to Oklahoma
Miles - 12-2, won division, won conference, won National Championship, Defeated
Alabama

Year Four
Brown - 11-2, won division, won bowl game, Lost to Oklahoma
Miles - 8-5, won bowl game, Lost to Alabama

Year Five
Brown - 11-2, won bowl game, Lost to Oklahoma
Miles - 9-4 , lost bowl game, Lost to Alabama,

Summary
Overall win loss records in first five years - Brown 49-15, Miles 51-15.
Record against “big rival” - Brown 2-3, Miles 3-2
Bowl Wins - Brown 3, Miles 4
Division Championships - Brown 2, Miles 3
Conference Championships Brown 0, Miles 1
National Championships Brown 0, Miles 1
Les Miles accomplished his record in the Southeastern Conference while Mack Brown’s team competed in the Big 12 Conference

During the first five years of Mack Brown’s tenure at Texas, one team from the Big 12 Conference actually won the National Championship (Oklahoma)

During the first five years of Les Miles’ tenure at LSU, four national championships were won by teams (Florida, LSU and Alabama) from the Southeastern Conference.
It certainly could be argued that the Southeastern Conference was a more “difficult” league yet Les Miles still achieved a higher winning percentage than Mack Brown.

Mack Brown is the highest paid coach in America and some say “Les Miles could not coach his way out of a paper bag” and that he should be fired. Strange world isn’t it?
This post was edited on 9/13/10 at 12:28 pm
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
71360 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 11:37 am to
you do know that most people dont consider mack brown an elite coach right?

the best coaching move he ever made was to stop coaching vince young and let him run around and make plays, and that got him a national title
This post was edited on 9/13/10 at 11:38 am
Posted by Drew Orleans
Member since Mar 2010
21577 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 11:38 am to
2 things

1- I see improvement in brown's record.
B- Again, it's the way Les coaches and loses, not his record that pisses me off.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10086 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 11:40 am to
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Strange world isn’t it?

The Rant isn't the world, thankfully.
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George
Member since Aug 2004
77931 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 11:40 am to
quote:

the best coaching move he ever made was to stop coaching vince young and let him run around and make plays, and that got him a national title



That is till a coaching decision
Posted by bradwieser
Cornell Fan
Member since May 2008
10555 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 11:41 am to
I would never want mack brown at LSU. FWIW hitler could recruit at UT.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
71360 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 11:41 am to
true, but texas won because mack left VY alone, not because of schematic and tactical advantages
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10232 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 11:43 am to
Stop you are making to much sense. All very true, Miles is not the best coach out there, but he is far from what our own fan base think. It's all about perception, a bone head last minute on a national stage, and the national media picking up on all the damn negativity down here and here we are. Let's just say if that pass Colt MaCoy threw goes one more yard, Brown is in the same boat.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10086 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 11:44 am to
quote:

Again, it's the way Les coaches and loses,

.700 is just fickin terrible.
Posted by SouthernMan
Charlotte
Member since Nov 2008
1380 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 11:44 am to
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B- Again, it's the way Les coaches and loses, not his record that pisses me off.


I know what you mean, waiting till the clock burned down to nothing when you could have called a timeout and letting your QB snap it with about three seconds left and throws it away as the clock goes to zero.

I mean it wasn't like the National Championship game was on the line or anythin... oh wait.

Well good thing the Refs actually did their job unlike in Miles case just a week earlier.

I see what you mean, nothing alike.
Posted by Drew Orleans
Member since Mar 2010
21577 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 11:48 am to
Can you name any more giant mistakes besides that one?... cause I can.
Posted by Drew Orleans
Member since Mar 2010
21577 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 11:49 am to
Again I say, it's the WAY he loses. Do you know how to read and comprehend?
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
32888 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 11:49 am to
quote:

true, but texas won because mack left VY alone, not because of schematic and tactical advantages



I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the OP, but this is just stupid. You make it sound as though Vince Young went onto the field and drew up his own plays. It is well known they went with the read option passing plays to take advantage of his athleticisim. If the first WR wasn't open, he had the green light to run.

Posted by LJBurton
Member since Feb 2005
1351 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 11:51 am to
quote:

I know what you mean, waiting till the clock burned down to nothing when you could have called a timeout and letting your QB snap it with about three seconds left and throws it away as the clock goes to zero.

I mean it wasn't like the National Championship game was on the line or anythin... oh wait.

Well good thing the Refs actually did their job unlike in Miles case just a week earlier.

I see what you mean, nothing alike


By all means, let's blame the refs for the Ole Miss meltdown. Miles had nothing to do with it.

Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10232 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 11:58 am to
Well you sure can't blame the refs for Ole Miss, but Brown got lucky as shite last year and got a pass.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59077 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 12:01 pm to

quote:

Apples to Apples
quote:

Below is a comparison of the first five years of Mack Brown as head football coach at the University of Texas and Les Miles as head football coach at Louisiana State University.


This is not an Apples to Apples comparison. The year before Brown took over Texas they were 4-7, the year before that they were 8-5 (they did upset Nebraska in the Big 12 CG). The 2 years before Les was hired at LSU we were 9-3 in a "down" year, 2 of the 3 loses were basically on the last play. The year before that we were 13-1 National Champs. The level of talent was also not close. Texas had talent (Ricky Williams for starters) but not across the board or depth wise. Les walked into an LSU team with back to back top 2 recruiting clasess.

quote:

you do know that most people dont consider mack brown an elite coach right?


Then they are idiots. No he is not the best coach, but his record speaks for itself, he is clealry top5-10 at worst. Given there are 120 D1 coaches, top 10 is elite.

I always aks this quesion of Mack Brown haters and they always ignore it (because they can't answer) but if Mack is not a great coach explain his record at North Carolina? His last 2 years there they lost a grand total of 3 games, since he left they have lost at least 5 every year.
Posted by Drew Orleans
Member since Mar 2010
21577 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 12:05 pm to
quote:

I would never want mack brown at LSU


Sucks for you then. Been here, done that.

1982
Posted by TigerWilson88
West Monroe
Member since Jul 2008
1948 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 12:05 pm to
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10086 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 12:08 pm to
quote:

Again I say, it's the WAY he loses.

So you have prefered ways of losing?
You'd rather be down 2 scores than, say, have a chance to win in final seconds, but screw up the time out?
It does take coaching to get you to that point of almost winning, you know.
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9577 posts
Posted on 9/13/10 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

I would never want mack brown at LSU. FWIW hitler could recruit at UT.




true...

and no I dont think Mack Brown is an elite Coach...he is sitting on a gold mine...

elite = Makeing something out of nothing..

Saban - Lsu
Peterson-Boise
Patterson-TCU
Meyer -Bowling green and utah
Brian Kelly - Cinncy
...get the picture..name a few others if you want...
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