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Saw is Stuck
Posted on 6/2/10 at 8:59 am
Posted on 6/2/10 at 8:59 am
From WWLTV.com:Breaking News:
Coast Guard: Cut-and-cap effort hits snag
Coast Guard says a saw has become stuck in the riser pipe in the latest effort to contain Gulf oil spill.
Saw Stuck Link
Coast Guard: Cut-and-cap effort hits snag
Coast Guard says a saw has become stuck in the riser pipe in the latest effort to contain Gulf oil spill.
Saw Stuck Link
This post was edited on 6/2/10 at 9:09 am
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Posted on 6/2/10 at 9:00 am to RPC4LSU
Alright then, you answered that question for me.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 9:03 am to Impotent Waffle
10 years ago that camera wouldn't be down there and we would not know how much a cluster f this is. Sometimes I wonder if it's a good thing or bad.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 9:05 am to Schwaaz
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10 years ago that camera wouldn't be down there and we would not know how much a cluster f this is.
You mean how difficult this is... It astounds me how people don't get the complexity of the remediation operations...
Posted on 6/2/10 at 9:11 am to STEVED00
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It astounds me how people don't get the complexity of the remediation operations...
i'm no engineer, but the pressure and volume of the oil flow + the size of opening + extreme depth convinced me weeks ago that this is going to take a miracle.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 9:15 am to STEVED00
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It astounds me how people don't get the complexity of the remediation operations..
I think the average person does understand this is difficult. However I also think the average person is frustrated that BP (and others) have been conducting drilling operations in an environment where they do not have control in the event of a problem.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 9:25 am to ThatsAllSheWrote
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However I also think the average person is frustrated that BP (and others) have been conducting drilling operations in an environment where they do not have control in the event of a problem.
Well in their defense it had to be a perfect storm of things going wrong for this to happen (I'm talking about 4 or 5 things had to fail...)
Posted on 6/2/10 at 9:28 am to McLemore
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i'm no engineer, but the pressure and volume of the oil flow + the size of opening + extreme depth convinced me weeks ago that this is going to take a miracle.
Not so much a miracle, but a TON of trial an error bc this is a "first of its kind" kind of deal...
Posted on 6/2/10 at 9:29 am to STEVED00
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Well in their defense it had to be a perfect storm of things going wrong for this to happen (I'm talking about 4 or 5 things had to fail...)
which happened in part due to negligence, creating the environment for this "perfect storm."
Posted on 6/2/10 at 9:30 am to STEVED00
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Well in their defense it had to be a perfect storm of things going wrong for this to happen (I'm talking about 4 or 5 things had to fail...)
True. But it'll be interesting once all the facts come out and whether or not pure negligence contriubuted to these failures. My car has a ton of safety features on it but if I drive it at 130mph I can't blame safety feature failures if I crash and get my self killed.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 9:32 am to ThatsAllSheWrote
However I also think the average person is frustrated that BP (and others) have been conducting drilling operations in an environment where they do not have control in the event of a problem
I pretty much agree with this, maybe not 'control' in an absolute event but better means and equipement to work in this environment. I mean its been 6 weeks or more and they are just now getting a shear down there!
On land we can insert valves onto an existing pipe under pressure. I am wondering why we dont have that technology for deep sea. I also question why the BOP doesnt have "docking stations" cast onto it where the rov or other tools could fasten onto to do its work.
I know this is hindsight but damn!
I pretty much agree with this, maybe not 'control' in an absolute event but better means and equipement to work in this environment. I mean its been 6 weeks or more and they are just now getting a shear down there!
On land we can insert valves onto an existing pipe under pressure. I am wondering why we dont have that technology for deep sea. I also question why the BOP doesnt have "docking stations" cast onto it where the rov or other tools could fasten onto to do its work.
I know this is hindsight but damn!
Posted on 6/2/10 at 9:37 am to Sam Waterston
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which happened in part due to negligence
I didn't realize this had been determined yet.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 9:37 am to Sam Waterston
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which happened in part due to negligence,
Negligence is a pretty strong statement. I would have a hard time believing that someone one that rig decided to put 125 people in harms way just to save some $$.
Do I think poor decisions and poor assumptions were probably made? Most probably but negligence implies criminal behavior which would also mean the person who made the negligent decision was also put HIMSELF in danger.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 9:38 am to Python
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I didn't realize this had been determined yet.
It hasn't and I think it will be extremely difficult to prove someone was negligent, but the BP Company Rep taking the 5th at the investigation hearing didn't look so good...
This post was edited on 6/2/10 at 9:39 am
Posted on 6/2/10 at 9:49 am to STEVED00
You missed my point or I didn't type it properly or both. In the past there were tons of clusters that went unnoticed because there was no camera turned on recording every move. We just assumed that the company knew what they were doing but now with instant access those mistakes are not hidden and we now realize that sometimes they have no clue what to do next. Is that because of the circumstances or lack of due diligence or arrogance? Probably a combination of the all three.
BP has to take the blame when they are 0'fer on solutions no matter what the circumstances are surrounding the situation. They have state of the art modeling programs and staff and know in advance what the risk/reward is of each scenario. They also make their decisions based on that risk/reward results and it will always be pro shareholders when there is a conflict. Please don't kid yourself into thinking they will do what's best for the State of La., the marshes, Gulf Coast or the USA when that might be in direct conflict with their mission of improving stockholder equity.
BP has to take the blame when they are 0'fer on solutions no matter what the circumstances are surrounding the situation. They have state of the art modeling programs and staff and know in advance what the risk/reward is of each scenario. They also make their decisions based on that risk/reward results and it will always be pro shareholders when there is a conflict. Please don't kid yourself into thinking they will do what's best for the State of La., the marshes, Gulf Coast or the USA when that might be in direct conflict with their mission of improving stockholder equity.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 10:09 am to STEVED00
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I would have a hard time believing that someone one that rig decided to put 125 people in harms way just to save some $$
I wouldn't, it's always about the bottom line (for the company, not the workers...but for the workers, if they don't do the job, someone else will)
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negligence implies criminal behavior
The US AG just opened up an investigation to look into this, based on evidence of failed safety tests a few weeks, days and hours before the explosion and deaths, where those in charge (BP) insisted to continue anyway.
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the person who made the negligent decision was also put HIMSELF in danger
yes, but maybe not knowing the full implications or the other components involved that may or may not be working properly.
bottom line, negligence was involved in this disaster
This post was edited on 6/2/10 at 10:11 am
Posted on 6/2/10 at 10:14 am to STEVED00
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Well in their defense it had to be a perfect storm of things going wrong for this to happen
More like a perfect storm of assuming that things which could go wrong wouldn't.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 12:26 pm to Sam Waterston
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bottom line, negligence was involved in this disaster
That is your opinion. There is nothing proven as to this point that there was negligence. Just bc the the US AG is looking into does NOT signify guilt.
IMO, poor decisions are NOT negligent. Thats just human nature. Falsifying BOP tests or plowing ahead knowing certain safety devices do NOT work is negligence IMO...
This post was edited on 6/2/10 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 6/2/10 at 12:30 pm to STEVED00
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That is your opinion. There is nothing proven as to this point that there was negligence
Exactly. At this point, all anyone has is a guess.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 2:06 pm to STEVED00
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plowing ahead knowing certain safety devices do NOT work
Isn't that what happened? According to several sources and released documents, this is the case (unless the media is completely wrong on this issue). If this did not indeed happen, I will take back my negligence comment, but if it walks and quacks like a duck...
edit: and the thread started by chicken has some points that more-or-less confirm negligence
This post was edited on 6/2/10 at 2:10 pm
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