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Pinpointing area of concern?
Posted on 10/27/09 at 10:55 am
Posted on 10/27/09 at 10:55 am
I'm of the belief after the Auburn game that it's not the personnel on offense, although I believe the wide receiving core is overrated or lacking in talent as in years past, but my main observation is Crowton after his first scripted 15-20 plays, doesn't have a good "sense" as to what plays to call. Nor does he make adjustments to the gameplan based on a particular opponent or in-game. Jordan is a quality quarterback if Crowton calls plays that play to the strength of this team. If we are going to force-feed Scott then at least let him have a fullback in the I-Form or Strong Formation. Scott does not have cutback or vision to see lanes that dont appear open at first glance. He is a bull, but he is considerably more effective with a Fullback, given our O-line not being able to get the "push" needed at the point of attack. Back to Jordan, I feel that he is exponentially better when he is rolled out of the pocket after a fake handoff and has the option to throw or run if receivers are covered. Last year's game footage showed that and Auburn showed it. He's a dangerous runner when rolled out as oppose to having to do it from the pocket up the middle. Lastly, this receiving core has two receivers and that's it as far as I'm concerned. Rueben hasn't come around yet and likely will not for the season and the rest are just not as physically gifted/route running to gain separation from SEC caliber defensive backs. Hence, Jordan "appearing" to hold on the ball when in all actuality in many instances no one is open. If you consitently double Lafell and shadow Dickson, then that leaves on Tolliver to run his patented curl route and hope that the defender doesn't anticipate the route. Thoughts???
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Posted on 10/27/09 at 10:59 am to irvchilichill1
I agree with a lot of that. The only gripe I have is that we probably have as much talent at WR as we have always had. JJ just isn't quite there with his confidence. The receiver isn't always going to be wide open. Case in point, JJ just threw the ball up to Lafell in the endzone and it was a TD. You have to just let the playmakers make plays. He's trying to be too perfect.
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:00 am to irvchilichill1
A rolling pocket is good, but that also takes a disciplined o-line to pull off. If not done right, someone can get through easily, so you still need to release it quick and LSU can't use this every down. However, against Bama, it may be necessary.
Florida game...1 pass play over 15 yards i believe. So was every receiver covered the entire game downfield?
Florida game...1 pass play over 15 yards i believe. So was every receiver covered the entire game downfield?
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:04 am to TigerB8
I agree with some of that (how to make JJ more effective by moving the pocket, etc...) but as to the rest you are an idiot. Our wide receivers are beasts. Just look at what they've done after the catch this year. If you want to argue that LaFell has looked timid with his drops over the past three games I will agree, but overrated? NO.
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:07 am to irvchilichill1
The offense (specifically the passing game) looked like a unit that decided for the first time this year to assert themselves. JJ was taking more shots downfield. The recievers were fighting for yards after the catch like I havent seen in 2 years at LSU. Pass blocking was much improved.
One thing that concerns me is still the running game. We had reasons early on in the year with teams stacking the box to remain somewhat optimistic that as the passing game progressed, so to would the running game. I was a little troubled by our lack of production agaist Auburn on the ground.
If LSU is able to progress messurably with the run to give us a more balaced threat.........with this defense, we could win a championship this year.
One thing that concerns me is still the running game. We had reasons early on in the year with teams stacking the box to remain somewhat optimistic that as the passing game progressed, so to would the running game. I was a little troubled by our lack of production agaist Auburn on the ground.
If LSU is able to progress messurably with the run to give us a more balaced threat.........with this defense, we could win a championship this year.
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:10 am to irvchilichill1
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Rueben hasn't come around yet and likely will not for the season
Do you assume this b/c he's not being thrwon to more often or do you have "insider info" into Randle's supposed "lack of" development?
The few catches he's made against Auburn & Georgia were exceptional.
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:10 am to TigerB8
FLorida game?? From what Jordan said after playing and watching film, he stated that all his receivers were "covered" all the time. So if that is the case, then it's tough to throw the ball to someone who is blanketed and hasn't shown the ability to come down with it in traffic, including Lafell up until that one Auburn play. Tolliver should be a target that can get it high and take chances in a double team situation down the field, but he doesnt have the speed to gain the separation, so consider him well covered if a corner and safety are on him. All of Lafell catches come with him primarily using his great route running over the middle and getting the necessary separation, but he lacks the ability to go "get it" in traffic, thus he is a No.2 receiver in the pros at best. Jordan has been "programmed" based on last year to not throw picks, thus he is scared to give his receivers those "questionable" opportunities to make the tremendous play. Every time Dickson catches the ball, I swear he gets licked every time b/c a linebacker and corner is right there that's why he gets no YAC. Teams key on Lafell and Dickson as the safety valve and your left with Tolliver. The key to winning games is Tolliver because teams as of now are willing to let him be the one that beats us in the passing game. That's why he seems likes Jordan's favorite target these days.
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:11 am to irvchilichill1
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Pinpointing area of concern?
The LSU fanbase.
I believe the fans are putting way too much stock in recruiting hype and think just because players are 4 or 5 stars, they should just line up on Saturday and completely dominate every snap of the game. The other teams generally have good players and the talent level between college teams is not that extravagantly different in the SEC.
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:12 am to irvchilichill1
Flame!
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:17 am to irvchilichill1
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I'm of the belief after the Auburn game that it's not the personnel on offense, although I believe the wide receiving core is overrated or lacking in talent as in years past, but my main observation is Crowton after his first scripted 15-20 plays, doesn't have a good "sense" as to what plays to call. Nor does he make adjustments to the gameplan based on a particular opponent or in-game.
Jordan is a quality quarterback if Crowton calls plays that play to the strength of this team.
If we are going to force-feed Scott then at least let him have a fullback in the I-Form or Strong Formation. Scott does not have cutback or vision to see lanes that dont appear open at first glance. He is a bull, but he is considerably more effective with a Fullback, given our O-line not being able to get the "push" needed at the point of attack.
Back to Jordan, I feel that he is exponentially better when he is rolled out of the pocket after a fake handoff and has the option to throw or run if receivers are covered. Last year's game footage showed that and Auburn showed it. He's a dangerous runner when rolled out as oppose to having to do it from the pocket up the middle.
Lastly, this receiving core has two receivers and that's it as far as I'm concerned. Rueben hasn't come around yet and likely will not for the season and the rest are just not as physically gifted/route running to gain separation from SEC caliber defensive backs. Hence, Jordan "appearing" to hold on the ball when in all actuality in many instances no one is open.
If you consitently double Lafell and shadow Dickson, then that leaves on Tolliver to run his patented curl route and hope that the defender doesn't anticipate the route. Thoughts???
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:22 am to irvchilichill1
The biggest area of concern is that all the "football" knowledge is on the rant and not in the LSU football facilities like it should be. If we just coached this team by "rant committee" we'd be undefeated or at least had more pts in our wins and loss.
So get out there and recruit harder and call better plays guys
So get out there and recruit harder and call better plays guys
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:23 am to irvchilichill1
Rueben is solid and make have a good game after the Bama game, but as in the Florida game. He will not get the consistent opportunity to be a bid difference b/c he is the foruth option and frankly, Jordan does not yet have the offense down to check his third or fourth options from the pocket and with the O-line play. Granted, our receivers looked good against Auburn, but Auburn's defense this year is not what is has traditionally been in the past. Against Bama, Jordan will need to be rolled out the pocket and possibly have the running back in to block in case Bama blitzes from the rollout side. I'm not sold on Bama's secondary so if Jordan can buy time then Lafell could be huge in this game. I'm still waiting for them to throw the fade route to Tolliver in the redzone, just to see if he has the ability to go high and get it. I think that we need to face the fact that the running is not likely to gain traction this year and more than likely will not get us anywhere in the Bama game considering Bama is damn tough with Cody and the linebacking core. So the gameplan should be to run to keep Bama honest even though we know it wont be effective, but to play action from the pocket or on rollout and attempt to test the secondary which is the weakest part of their defense. If Gary forgets the Jordan option and the Shotgun- Charles Scott draw, we have a good chance of not only beating Bama but beating them soundly. Gary jus needs to call a good game and not force Jordan into 2nd and 8, 3rd and 7 all day.
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:34 am to irvchilichill1
Oh and another thing... If we have given up on Keiland, then so be it, although unfortunately.
However, that should innure to the benefit of Shep who seems to be able to run b/t the tackles despite our O-Line woes. Consequently, he should get a few more traditional running back carries and see if he can be the change of pace back to Scott that is needed. It's a risk given his slight frame but if he learns to go down, he might be all right.
ALso, for the life of me, I never understand why we dont use Holliday more as the decoy in this offense. He's the only one from the backfield with experience who can apply pressure to the defense to make a quick decision on a given play. Seems he was more effective his soph. year than in the past two.
Why can't Holliday be used like Skyler when it comes to the screen game which has been excluded from the play book, but was effective for us all those years?
However, that should innure to the benefit of Shep who seems to be able to run b/t the tackles despite our O-Line woes. Consequently, he should get a few more traditional running back carries and see if he can be the change of pace back to Scott that is needed. It's a risk given his slight frame but if he learns to go down, he might be all right.
ALso, for the life of me, I never understand why we dont use Holliday more as the decoy in this offense. He's the only one from the backfield with experience who can apply pressure to the defense to make a quick decision on a given play. Seems he was more effective his soph. year than in the past two.
Why can't Holliday be used like Skyler when it comes to the screen game which has been excluded from the play book, but was effective for us all those years?
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:57 am to irvchilichill1
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Crowton after his first scripted 15-20 plays, doesn't have a good "sense" as to what plays to call. Nor does he make adjustments to the gameplan based on a particular opponent or in-game.
very good point.........and something that i hope changes if bama stuffs his initial 15-20 plays, because as miles said after UF, we had a great gameplan, we were just never in a position to use it. i think bama is capable of stuffing a lot of things we offer, but i also think they are vulnerable in areas as well (screens/slants/maybe draw plays) but if we stick with the 'gameplan' because it was so well practiced, and its getting nowhere, and we still don't change it, i'll be concerned.....or at least hoping our D is doing the same to their O.
Posted on 10/27/09 at 12:26 pm to irvchilichill1
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Scott does not have cutback or vision to see lanes that dont appear open at first glance. He is a bull, but he is considerably more effective with a Fullback, given our O-line not being able to get the "push" needed at the point of attack.
If you truly believe Scott is not nimble for a man his size I suggest watching games from 2007 and 2008. Yeah, he can pound it, but also has good change of direction. One can look at numerous games from the past when he breaks the initial LOS and made people miss. Due to predictable play calling and poor OL play season to date he simply has nowhere to run with the box stacked. He is a versatile big man with above average speed for his weight and deserves a lot more credit than you and many others give him.
Posted on 10/27/09 at 1:05 pm to tirebiter
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Rueben hasn't come around yet and likely will not for the season
uh, big no to this one....the guy hasnt been thrown too...and when it is its caught for a long gain...I wish he would have gotten to Lee's big throw against Aub but he was a little over thrown
Posted on 10/27/09 at 1:07 pm to irvchilichill1
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FLorida game?? From what Jordan said after playing and watching film, he stated that all his receivers were "covered" all the time.
this proves my point....
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Jordan has been "programmed" based on last year to not throw picks, thus he is scared to give his receivers those "questionable" opportunities to make the tremendous play.
His definition of covered is going to be a little biased to cover his tail. I'm not ragging on the guy, but he's not quite developed his passing enough to get the ball to his receivers. 2 receivers that will be in the NFL were covered the entire game....
the Auburn game just proved that if you give the passing game a chance, it might succeed because taking the sack sure as hell won't yield any results.
Posted on 10/27/09 at 1:31 pm to irvchilichill1
Our first TD to Toliver against Auburn was a quasi fade. Just not a jump ball.
Posted on 10/27/09 at 1:38 pm to irvchilichill1
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I believe the wide receiving core is overrated or lacking in talent as in years past
Decent post except for this part. I challenge you to name a team that has two WR's as good as Lafell and TT. Not to mention as good of a tight end as dickson, and RR has a world of potential.
Posted on 10/27/09 at 2:02 pm to irvchilichill1
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Pinpointing area of concern?
On defense I have none. We started off somewhat porous but have improved each and every game to the point we are a solid defense. I think the defense is playing at a level that gives us a good chance to beat Alabama should our offense not turn the ball over.
On offense I have a couple. The main one is our nonexistent power running game. Whatever the reason(s) (O-line, personnel choices, playcalling, etc.), this is our team's weakest point this year. Number two is our vertical passing game. We were orders of magnitude better against Auburn and I can only hope the improvement continues.
Those are my only real areas of concern.
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