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sec basketball champs question
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:35 am
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:35 am
i was in an arguement with my friend over how a team is declaried the sec champ. is regular season sec record that determinds it or is it champion of the tournment
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Posted on 2/23/09 at 5:02 am to GravyTiger
The SEC champ is based off of the SEC record. Then there is the SEC tournament champ that gets an automatic bid for the NCAA trounament.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 8:53 am to GravyTiger
With such a large field in the NCAA tournament, there is not a lot of distinction between the two. For the major conferences both will always get in. But if for some reason some crazy nostalgia bug infected the country and we reduced the field to 8 or maybe 16, then you would find out that the real championship would go to the team that went to the tournament. That would be the SEC tournament winner.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:12 am to Indiana Tiger
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That would be the SEC tournament winner.
Is it up to the conference to determine the automatic bid? My understanding was that the conference could designate the regular season champion or the tournament champion as the automatic qualifier. All conferences designate the tournament winner, in part because it increases the chances of at least 2 teams getting bids. But if the field were limited to one team per conference, you might find that conferences would then tend to send the regular season champion.
In my view, both in baseball and basketball, the regular season championship is the more significant recognition since it represents a season's work, not just a hot 4 game streak.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:13 am to tigerinridgeland
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Is it up to the conference to determine the automatic bid?
Yes, the Ivy league has traditionally done regular season champ.
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the regular season championship is the more significant recognition since it represents a season's work, not just a hot 4 game streak.
Absolutely. But its not as good for ratings.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:15 am to tigerinridgeland
quote:Yes. And the SEC has determined the automatic NCAA tournament bid for the conference goes to the SEC tournament winner. It's pretty well assumed the regular season winner will also be invited to The Dance, but it's not guaranteed.
Is it up to the conference to determine the automatic bid?
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:15 am to lsumatt
It is up to the Conference whether to have a tournament. If a conference has a tourny than the tourny champ goes, but if a league decides not to have a tourny (like the Big 10 did until about 5 or 6 years ago and the Ivy League) then the regular season champ goes.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:19 am to ellessuuuu
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like the Big 10 did until about 5 or 6 years ago
I think you are wrong about that. They have had one for quite some time as far as I know. Its been longer than 5 years for sure.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:21 am to tigerinridgeland
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Is it up to the conference to determine the automatic bid? My understanding was that the conference could designate the regular season champion or the tournament champion as the automatic qualifier. All conferences designate the tournament winner, in part because it increases the chances of at least 2 teams getting bids. But if the field were limited to one team per conference, you might find that conferences would then tend to send the regular season champion.
In my view, both in baseball and basketball, the regular season championship is the more significant recognition since it represents a season's work, not just a hot 4 game streak.
Yes it is up to the conferences. The NCAA doesn't care how you select your champion. Historically, conferences have given the tournament champion the bid in order to give the tournament some meaning. Back in the day S. Carolina was in the ACC and had some great basketball teams that didn't go to the NCAA (only 8 spots available at the time) because they couldn't win the tournament. I'm pretty sure most of the other conf tournaments didn't get added until after the NCAA expanded.
I agree the regular season is more important, but it is the price you pay if you want a profitable postseason tournament. In 2001 football, you can say TN was the regular season football champ and LSU was the CG champ, but we don't (even though TN played and beat LSU during the season). LSU is considered the SEC champ that year.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:22 am to ellessuuuu
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It is up to the Conference whether to have a tournament. If a conference has a tourny than the tourny champ goes, but if a league decides not to have a tourny (like the Big 10 did until about 5 or 6 years ago and the Ivy League) then the regular season champ goes.
right but that doesnt answer the question. the regular season champ is considered the SEC champion. in my book and most others at least.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:24 am to bbap
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right but that doesnt answer the question. the regular season champ is considered the SEC champion. in my book and most others at least.
Agreed. A season imo, tells a much more accurate story than a one weekend luck streak. I think it's safe to say that Georgia was not the SEC champ last year, even though they made an improbable run in Atlanta. Hell, even LSU beat them.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:27 am to The Cable Guy
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right but that doesnt answer the question. the regular season champ is considered the SEC champion. in my book and most others at least.
Agreed. A season imo, tells a much more accurate story than a one weekend luck streak. I think it's safe to say that Georgia was not the SEC champ last year, even though they made an improbable run in Atlanta. Hell, even LSU beat them.
The question is would you really care if you were the regular season champ if you didn't go to the NCAA because you didn't win the conference tournament? Like I said under today's set-up this is moot because both would go, but if they shrunk the field?
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:28 am to Indiana Tiger
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Yes it is up to the conferences. The NCAA doesn't care how you select your champion. Historically, conferences have given the tournament champion the bid in order to give the tournament some meaning. Back in the day S. Carolina was in the ACC and had some great basketball teams that didn't go to the NCAA (only 8 spots available at the time) because they couldn't win the tournament. I'm pretty sure most of the other conf tournaments didn't get added until after the NCAA expanded.
The ACC and Big 8 (Big 12's predecessor,of course)pretty much always had a tournament. The SEC had won until 1952 and then mothballed it until 1979. The Pac 10 had won for a while in the 80's,dropped it and brought it back. The Big 10 finally put one in over Bob Knight's protests in the late 1990's. The Big East had had one since its inception in the early 1980's.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:28 am to Indiana Tiger
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The question is would you really care if you were the regular season champ if you didn't go to the NCAA because you didn't win the conference tournament?
that was not the original question at all.
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Like I said under today's set-up this is moot because both would go, but if they shrunk the field?
if they shrunk the field to 8 or 16 teams like you suggested im sure they would revise the automatic bids thing as well and the regular season champ would get the automatic bid.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:40 am to bbap
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that was not the original question at all.
So related follow-up questions are not allowed?
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if they shrunk the field to 8 or 16 teams like you suggested im sure they would revise the automatic bids thing as well and the regular season champ would get the automatic bid.
Some may and some may not. The ACC most likely wouldn't. The realization that playoffs don't necessary produce the best team was a primary non-financial motivation for expanding the tournament.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:45 am to bbap
The answer to question is that there are two champions.
The regular season champ gets a nice banner and a good record
The Tournament Champ gets a nice banner a good weekend of basketball and an automatic bid to the NCAA Tournament.
The regular season champ gets a nice banner and a good record
The Tournament Champ gets a nice banner a good weekend of basketball and an automatic bid to the NCAA Tournament.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:49 am to Indiana Tiger
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Some may and some may not. The ACC most likely wouldn't
if you reduce it to 8 teams it would be impossible to keep automatic bids at all.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:52 am to bbap
I think the only time this becomes an issue is with the mid major conferences. .
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:53 am to ellessuuuu
IMO,its all on which conference you are referring to.
I just can't imagine any self-respecting Georgia fan acting as if they were the 'SEC Champion' last year over Tennessee. Yes,they got the automatic bid,but since the SEC brought back the tournament in 1979,not one time has the regular season champion ever been left out. Even with the tournament not expanding like it is now until 1985 and no regular season champ also winning the tourney until 1986,the SEC regular season champ always went and except for 1979, at least two other teams besides the tourney champ whent.
For lesser conferences like the Southern ,OVC,SWAC,etc it has to be the conference tourney. And maybe even for the ACC and to a lesser extent the Big East because of the history.
I just can't imagine any self-respecting Georgia fan acting as if they were the 'SEC Champion' last year over Tennessee. Yes,they got the automatic bid,but since the SEC brought back the tournament in 1979,not one time has the regular season champion ever been left out. Even with the tournament not expanding like it is now until 1985 and no regular season champ also winning the tourney until 1986,the SEC regular season champ always went and except for 1979, at least two other teams besides the tourney champ whent.
For lesser conferences like the Southern ,OVC,SWAC,etc it has to be the conference tourney. And maybe even for the ACC and to a lesser extent the Big East because of the history.
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