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re: Winner of Black Rhino Hunt Auction Threatened
Posted on 1/17/14 at 11:40 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 1/17/14 at 11:40 am to Chad504boy
My question is if the rhino is so old, weak, and unable to breed now it is causing so much damage can it be causing and how is it a threat to young healthy rhinos?
I think people are missing my point. I find it unsporting the same way that I find it unsporting to go pay thousands of dollars to kill a specific deer. I have had people in my office with pictures of deer and telling me they just paid $$$ to go shoot that deer. I just don't get that.
That's what this is. They can try to spin it as conservation etc but it is what it is. A canned hunt.
I think people are missing my point. I find it unsporting the same way that I find it unsporting to go pay thousands of dollars to kill a specific deer. I have had people in my office with pictures of deer and telling me they just paid $$$ to go shoot that deer. I just don't get that.
That's what this is. They can try to spin it as conservation etc but it is what it is. A canned hunt.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 11:47 am to TigerDeacon
i'm waiting to hear about the decimated grub worm population.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 11:53 am to TigerDeacon
Like I tell an vehement anti hunter that lives near me....
"hunters put their money where their mouth's are, ya'll put your money in a corps pocket".....
"hunters put their money where their mouth's are, ya'll put your money in a corps pocket".....
Posted on 1/17/14 at 12:03 pm to Chad504boy
You have to think abstractly about this.
Scenario:
There are 100 Rhinos
Most People don't like this, they say there needs to be 1,000. Some ask why? Some others give a little money to help. People on receiving end get a little money to fight an uphill battle to save a aomething that holds nothing but instrinsic value. It takes them years to generate $350,000 which pays scientists, vets, etc. to help the species.
Now, let's take those 100 Rhinos and say we will allow 1 to be hunted a year for an auction price, until we get population to 1,000 in which we will allow 2 to be hunted (also for a price), and so forth and so on.
Original people receiving funds say I can get $350,000 at the drop of a hat for 1 rhino? And once the population grows to a certain amount that $350,000 will turn into $700,000 (2 hunts). and then $1,000,000, and $2,000,000, and so forth and so on?
What were those population thresholds again? 1,000, 2,000, etc. animals?
Alright guys The Rhino is now valuable to me as a commodity. We will be able to now put every effort of our being into increasing the population because I want the money that will generate for me, my organization, my country, and yes the Rhino.
Which method will produce the faster increase in Rhino population?
Scenario:
There are 100 Rhinos
Most People don't like this, they say there needs to be 1,000. Some ask why? Some others give a little money to help. People on receiving end get a little money to fight an uphill battle to save a aomething that holds nothing but instrinsic value. It takes them years to generate $350,000 which pays scientists, vets, etc. to help the species.
Now, let's take those 100 Rhinos and say we will allow 1 to be hunted a year for an auction price, until we get population to 1,000 in which we will allow 2 to be hunted (also for a price), and so forth and so on.
Original people receiving funds say I can get $350,000 at the drop of a hat for 1 rhino? And once the population grows to a certain amount that $350,000 will turn into $700,000 (2 hunts). and then $1,000,000, and $2,000,000, and so forth and so on?
What were those population thresholds again? 1,000, 2,000, etc. animals?
Alright guys The Rhino is now valuable to me as a commodity. We will be able to now put every effort of our being into increasing the population because I want the money that will generate for me, my organization, my country, and yes the Rhino.
Which method will produce the faster increase in Rhino population?
Posted on 1/17/14 at 12:42 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Scenario:
There are 100 Bald Eagles
Most People don't like this, they say there needs to be 1,000. Some ask why? Some others give a little money to help. People on receiving end get a little money to fight an uphill battle to save a aomething that holds nothing but instrinsic value. It takes them years to generate $350,000 which pays scientists, vets, etc. to help the species.
Now, let's take those 100 bald eagles and say we will allow 1 to be hunted a year for an auction price, until we get population to 1,000 in which we will allow 2 to be hunted (also for a price), and so forth and so on.
Original people receiving funds say I can get $350,000 at the drop of a hat for 1 bald eagle? And once the population grows to a certain amount that $350,000 will turn into $700,000 (2 hunts). and then $1,000,000, and $2,000,000, and so forth and so on?
What were those population thresholds again? 1,000, 2,000, etc. animals?
Alright guys The bald eagle is now valuable to me as a commodity. We will be able to now put every effort of our being into increasing the population because I want the money that will generate for me, my organization, my country, and yes the Bald Eagle.
Which method will produce the faster increase in Rhino population?
There are 100 Bald Eagles
Most People don't like this, they say there needs to be 1,000. Some ask why? Some others give a little money to help. People on receiving end get a little money to fight an uphill battle to save a aomething that holds nothing but instrinsic value. It takes them years to generate $350,000 which pays scientists, vets, etc. to help the species.
Now, let's take those 100 bald eagles and say we will allow 1 to be hunted a year for an auction price, until we get population to 1,000 in which we will allow 2 to be hunted (also for a price), and so forth and so on.
Original people receiving funds say I can get $350,000 at the drop of a hat for 1 bald eagle? And once the population grows to a certain amount that $350,000 will turn into $700,000 (2 hunts). and then $1,000,000, and $2,000,000, and so forth and so on?
What were those population thresholds again? 1,000, 2,000, etc. animals?
Alright guys The bald eagle is now valuable to me as a commodity. We will be able to now put every effort of our being into increasing the population because I want the money that will generate for me, my organization, my country, and yes the Bald Eagle.
Which method will produce the faster increase in Rhino population?
Posted on 1/17/14 at 12:52 pm to Chad504boy
I understand your point, I don't know what his motivations are.
I don't think he's doing anything wrong, but personally, he's doing something that I wouldn't get off on. Maybe he's not either, maybe he's doing it solely for the purpose of evangelism on the issue, but I doubt it.
In sum, I don't think any of us disagree with the concept here, that it could be a beneficial thing. But, the likely targets of the concept, people who like "canned hunts" are a more disagreeable topic.
I don't think he's doing anything wrong, but personally, he's doing something that I wouldn't get off on. Maybe he's not either, maybe he's doing it solely for the purpose of evangelism on the issue, but I doubt it.
In sum, I don't think any of us disagree with the concept here, that it could be a beneficial thing. But, the likely targets of the concept, people who like "canned hunts" are a more disagreeable topic.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 12:57 pm to Chad504boy
Bald Eagles are not endangered. They are not even threatened. They are protected because they are a raptor and the official bird of our nation.
If we had chosen the Eastern Wild Turkey, like Benjamin Franklin or Thomas Jefferson (can't remember which one) wanted those would be protected as well and we wouldn't be aloud to hunt them. You think the turkey needs no hunting season?
I don't even know what you were trying to prove.
These dudes advocate hunting as a conservation tool for all kinds of species. On "The Professionals" last season Shockey had a 2 part series on Jaguars and how they should be hunted.
BTW Rhinos are hunted today. Over 900 were killed last year in South Africa alone. All of them illegally. Just imagines if those were sold at $350k/pop.
If legalized, poachers could then be employed legally as trackers/skinners/hunters instead of illegally poaching. Not to mention the amount of money generated would provide a significant increase in game wardens to help thwart the poachers who do not jump the fence to the legal side.
If we had chosen the Eastern Wild Turkey, like Benjamin Franklin or Thomas Jefferson (can't remember which one) wanted those would be protected as well and we wouldn't be aloud to hunt them. You think the turkey needs no hunting season?
I don't even know what you were trying to prove.
These dudes advocate hunting as a conservation tool for all kinds of species. On "The Professionals" last season Shockey had a 2 part series on Jaguars and how they should be hunted.
BTW Rhinos are hunted today. Over 900 were killed last year in South Africa alone. All of them illegally. Just imagines if those were sold at $350k/pop.
If legalized, poachers could then be employed legally as trackers/skinners/hunters instead of illegally poaching. Not to mention the amount of money generated would provide a significant increase in game wardens to help thwart the poachers who do not jump the fence to the legal side.
This post was edited on 1/17/14 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 1/17/14 at 1:09 pm to GotDucks?
that's one of the funniest scenes in any movie
Posted on 1/17/14 at 1:11 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
quote:
BTW Rhinos are hunted today. Over 900 were killed last year in South Africa alone. All of them illegally. Just imagines if those were sold at $350k/pop.
If legalized, poachers could then be employed legally as trackers/skinners/hunters instead of illegally poaching. Not to mention the amount of money generated would provide a significant increase in game wardens to help thwart the poachers who do not jump the fence to the legal side.
you keep taking huge leaps of faith in your conclusions.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 1:14 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
personally, he's doing something that I wouldn't get off on
quote:
people who like "canned hunts" are a more disagreeable topic.
Yeah, arguments can be made on both sides of the issue, but IMO anyone who pays $350K (or any $) to "take" an animal is kind of a dickhead.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 1:15 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
quote:
that's one of the funniest scenes in any movie
its also proof that all rhinos could make babies!
Posted on 1/17/14 at 1:22 pm to Judge Smails
I don't normally care what other people spend their money on, but $350k to go shoot a rhino
I imagine there isn't much hunting involved-go to watering hole, pick out rhino, boom.
And frick those dickless, spineless chodes in PETA.
I imagine there isn't much hunting involved-go to watering hole, pick out rhino, boom.
And frick those dickless, spineless chodes in PETA.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 1:52 pm to Chad504boy
quote:This animal is not a candidate for display.
Instead of putting the animal more prominently displayed in the US to help people learn about the problem, we'll just shoot him but its okay cause he paid good money for a good cause.
quote:This rhino is a non factor in the future of the species other than money. It might as well not even exist.
Pay money for a good cause and help further the cause by transferring animal or doing something else. The rhino population is not what's hindering the rhino population.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 1:57 pm to Chad504boy
Chad I think a lot of folks are imagining this rhino as some sort of toothless senior citizen in a wheelchair when that's not at all the case. The female rhinos are being bred by the more dominant males in the population. This particular rhino that was auctioned is still incredibly dangerous to the hunter and his group, any natives close to his habitat, as well as the other dominant male rhinos in the area.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 2:02 pm to AlxTgr
meh, just because we CAN do something, doesn't menas we SHOULD do something. Sure he raised $350K, and this rhino is a non-factor in the species' survival, but the negative press this deal has created tends to make all hunters look bad, even hough 99.9% of us would not do this. Hunters are a minority, but the majority either supports or doesn't oppose our hobby. Stuff like this can turn the tide against us. Keep in mind there is no constitutional "Right to Hunt". Besides, where is the sport in this? Drive your Jeep to within 50 yards of this old blind rhino, shoot it, watch it fall over. Have your tribesmen skin it out for you and mail it back to the USA. Does that sound sporting, or even remotely like hunting?
I know, i know...
I know, i know...
Posted on 1/17/14 at 2:08 pm to Mung
Id be willing to bet that the vast majority if any of this $ will not go to rhino conservation sadly. That continent is so fricked and corruption is so ingrained that it is all but a lost cause imo.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 2:09 pm to Mung
My god, some of you should read the damned article before posting.
All I am saying. In order to save the endangered species (that once were considered game, or very well could be)
If demand is high, then supply must increase
With hunting there is demand, which causes the supply to rise. Please, please go read an ECON 101 book.
All I am saying. In order to save the endangered species (that once were considered game, or very well could be)
If demand is high, then supply must increase
With hunting there is demand, which causes the supply to rise. Please, please go read an ECON 101 book.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 2:11 pm to GREENHEAD22
quote:
That continent is so fricked and corruption is so ingrained that it is all but a lost cause imo.
Exactly, they want money.
They get more money from a legal hunter than from corrupt poaching.
Therefore more legal hunters = more money. Well they can't have too many hunters until the population increases. So what do they have to do? INCREASE THE GD POPULATION SO THEY CAN SELL MORE HUNTS!
This post was edited on 1/17/14 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 1/17/14 at 2:13 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Unfortunately economics is not a concept they grasp very well.
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