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re: This is why we don't shoot nice deer
Posted on 12/18/12 at 12:57 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 12/18/12 at 12:57 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Deer get most of their genes from the doe
could you explain what you mean by this? Not trying to be smart, just wondering what you mean.
This post was edited on 12/18/12 at 12:58 am
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Posted on 12/18/12 at 1:36 am to frankreynolds
I think he means that a doe has just as much or more influence into a baby bucks antler size or shape as the buck.
Of course the only practical way to ensure quality does is to manage the only variable you can which is to harvest weaker bucks. So really you are just coming full circle.
Of course the only practical way to ensure quality does is to manage the only variable you can which is to harvest weaker bucks. So really you are just coming full circle.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 7:09 am to PinevilleTiger
quote:this is a mindset I do not agree with. If someone shoots a buck that they are proud of then I'm all about that. As long as they work towards taking a better buck next time. Like what was mentioned earlier, this guy would go out and shoot a 4 point today if its legal.
anybody who shoots a buck they are not gonna put on the wall for "meat", why not just shoot a doe and let the baby bucks walk?
Posted on 12/18/12 at 8:12 am to mylsuhat
Yea I don't get that particular mindset either. I'm here to have fun, not feel like I'm at work. If shooting a 4 point is fun and legal than good for you. Once I shoot a 4 point this year though, shootin 4 points isn't fun anymore (until next year)
Posted on 12/18/12 at 8:15 am to frankreynolds
The gene that determines antler growth is controlled primarily by the doe
Posted on 12/18/12 at 8:25 am to mylsuhat
Y'all boys worry too damn much about what someone else is doing. If you don't hunt with people who share the same management goals as you that's your own problem. Please don't come out saying you wish the state would go to 8 pt or better or something stupid like that. As hard as it is for some of you to understand, some people actually like killing deer to eat deer meat. Some people don't hunt enough to be able to pick and choose what they kill. Some people aren't skilled enough to put themselves in front of a deer on a regular basis. Please quit taking your personal problem and trying to advocate a blanket rule for everyone. Believe it or not, trends in deer populations can change in just a couple years from things that we as hunters cannot control. Floods, droughts, disease, all play a part in herd genetics just like your "4 on one side" or "4.5 yr old or older" management techniques.
All that being said, my main lease is a group of guys that think like me and want to try to kill older deer. This year something happened and we don't have any does. I don't know what happened. From all the camera surveys and sightings throughout the year we have about a 1:1 buck-doe ratio. A couple guys haven't killed anything and want to kill a doe. I know we don't have many, but I'm not about to tell a grown man who pays thousands each year to hunt he can't shoot a doe. I'll just deal with it. Me, I'm shooting spikes for meat. It's my best alternative this year.
All that being said, my main lease is a group of guys that think like me and want to try to kill older deer. This year something happened and we don't have any does. I don't know what happened. From all the camera surveys and sightings throughout the year we have about a 1:1 buck-doe ratio. A couple guys haven't killed anything and want to kill a doe. I know we don't have many, but I'm not about to tell a grown man who pays thousands each year to hunt he can't shoot a doe. I'll just deal with it. Me, I'm shooting spikes for meat. It's my best alternative this year.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 8:26 am to mylsuhat
I don't get peoples drive to shoot young bucks year end and year out.
Killing a 2.5 year old buck is not really hard to do. They are dumb and curious and will come into just about any setup you put out.
Killing a 2.5 year old buck is not really hard to do. They are dumb and curious and will come into just about any setup you put out.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 8:32 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:Link?
The gene that determines antler growth is controlled primarily by the doe
Whether or not that is true, we can only control the bucks anyway. There is evidence that this works.
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In a companion study, spike antlered males were bred to does from spike antlered sires. This study demonstrated the effects of not harvesting spikes on future antler quality. All deer in this study were fed a high-protein diet, and 78% were spikes as yearlings
Results of Selection
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Each board displays 4 generations of deer. All antlers are from 3 year-old deer. From top to bottom are the great grandfather, grandfather, father, and son.
The antlers on the left are from deer that were forked antlered as yearlings and whose dams were from fork antlered sires.
The antlers on the right were from bucks that were spike antlered as yearlings. Their dams were also sired by spike antlered bucks
Pic here - won't embed for some reason
Once one starts managing, kill old does.
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Kerr genetic studies indicate bucks with the best antlers will produce more progeny with exceptional antlers than will poorer bucks. The does influence antler production as well. Harvest of older does is important to insure younger does are products of better bucks.
This post was edited on 12/18/12 at 8:37 am
Posted on 12/18/12 at 8:32 am to tenfoe
read my other post, I agree with your stance on that. I'm just saying that its disappointing when you know the potential you have
Posted on 12/18/12 at 8:35 am to TexasTiger
quote:I consider myself to be an average or slightly above average hunter and I haven't seen a 2.5 year old buck yet this year. May be because everywhere I hunt other hunters shoot whatever they see. So far this year I've seen a ton of yearlings with no does, spikes and fork horns.
Texas Tiger
I guarantee if is see a doe or a rack I'm shooting it and will tickled to death. Now, if I was seeing 2.5 year old bucks every hunt then of course I'd let them walk and wait for something better. Point is, a challenge to one hunter isn't always a challenge to another
Posted on 12/18/12 at 8:38 am to mylsuhat
I've shot one deer in my 25 years of hunting. I'd blast the living shite out of that buck with zero hesitation.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 8:38 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
What do yall do with the antlers from the spikes and 4 points you shoot? Do yall mount these deer or proudly show off the racks of these spikes?
I get that its perfectly legal and to each his own, but I'm curious what happens to the antlers after that makes it any different than shooting a doe.
A lot of people get on here and say they shoot. Spikes and small bucks ang are "proud so don't tell me what to shoot." Why don't we see more bragging threads with pictures of the guy hoisting his spike and grinning from ear to ear?
ETA, I don't mean kids or people with there first deer.
I get that its perfectly legal and to each his own, but I'm curious what happens to the antlers after that makes it any different than shooting a doe.
A lot of people get on here and say they shoot. Spikes and small bucks ang are "proud so don't tell me what to shoot." Why don't we see more bragging threads with pictures of the guy hoisting his spike and grinning from ear to ear?
ETA, I don't mean kids or people with there first deer.
This post was edited on 12/18/12 at 8:41 am
Posted on 12/18/12 at 8:39 am to TexasTiger
quote:a 2.5 year old buck is very cautious where we hunt. War makes children grow up fast!
Killing a 2.5 year old buck is not really hard to do. They are dumb and curious and will come into just about any setup you put out.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 8:39 am to TexasTiger
quote:This is why so many herds are out of whack. People can bitch about people not wanting to kill "small racks" but it's really about age and ratio. These poor dumb bastards are WAY easier to kill than does. On public lands with no age or antler restrictions, these guys and yurlins are what you're going to see at the weigh station. It has ruined Cocodrie.
Killing a 2.5 year old buck is not really hard to do. They are dumb and curious and will come into just about any setup you put out.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 8:42 am to mylsuhat
I've been in and out of a dozen leases,its a common occurence unfortunatly. Some people just have to justify their time, effort,manhood and dues by pulling the trigger on a male deer,any male deer. I'm finally on a private pc of land that we manage to our liking.Good luck
Posted on 12/18/12 at 8:47 am to mylsuhat
2.5 year old buck this morning
Posting just to post and don't feel like starting a new thread. My cousin took this this morning, he is going to be a good one i think. The rut is on in South Texas, never seen so many big mature bucks in one hunt. Thinkin a big one may bite the dust tonight
Posting just to post and don't feel like starting a new thread. My cousin took this this morning, he is going to be a good one i think. The rut is on in South Texas, never seen so many big mature bucks in one hunt. Thinkin a big one may bite the dust tonight
Posted on 12/18/12 at 8:47 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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I haven't seen a 2.5 year old buck yet this year. May be because everywhere I hunt other hunters shoot whatever they see.
Well thats the problem, and at the end of the day I wouldn't want to spend my hard earned money on a place where I didn't see deer or where people shot everything that walked.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 8:48 am to MillerMan
That has nothing to do with this thread. Tell Connor to post it somewhere else
Posted on 12/18/12 at 8:48 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:Great but the fact remains,
Yea I don't get that particular mindset either. I'm here to have fun, not feel like I'm at work. If shooting a 4 point is fun and legal than good for you. Once I shoot a 4 point this year though, shootin 4 points isn't fun anymore (until next year)
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This is why we don't shoot nice deer
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