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re: The new Benelli 828U (over/under) is sick
Posted on 6/29/15 at 4:18 pm to CFDoc
Posted on 6/29/15 at 4:18 pm to CFDoc
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What about guys that run tens of thousands of rounds through autoloaders each year like I do? XLR5's, 391's, SuperSports, etc. etc. are easily manufactured to run a million plus rounds through them. Concerning the 828U, it is far from a sporting gun. Way too light. Barrels are too short. Not a good combination for high volume clays. Excellent field gun dimensions though.
Woah calm down slappy I wasn't bashing anyone's precious auto loader. I have one and still use it sometimes for clays. I average about 500 rounds a week so I can feel where your coming from. You can't tell me that for clays a high end over under isn't a better gun though. Not knocking a auto loaders because I love my benelli but for clays an o/u is much more fun to shoot.
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 4:20 pm to CFDoc
And how many times will they need to be rebuilt in that round count? I am genuinely asking.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 4:26 pm to fisherbm1112
Chuck Hawks Review
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If Browning could design a gun for Benelli, the 828U is exactly what they would come up with
Posted on 6/29/15 at 4:29 pm to DownSouthDave
Gaw
Posted on 6/29/15 at 4:43 pm to fisherbm1112
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And how many times will they need to be rebuilt in that round count? I am genuinely asking.
What do you mean by rebuilt?
My supersport surpassed 100k rounds with all original parts. Granted it needs cleaning from time to time, but so do O/U's. The SS still runs good as new.
I have no beef with O/U's but it's a misconception that autoloaders aren't every bit as reliable for 99.999% of the shooting populations.
The only shooters that will begin to push the limits of autoloaders are your Vincent Hancocks, Kim Rhode's, etc. where millions of shells are going downrange. Even those shooters have to get new trigger groupings, sears, ejectors, extractors, etc. from time to time. Heck, I've even seen a Kreighoff need a new mono block.
ETA - I should add that those shooters are also shooting $25k guns and up. Not just your typical citori or pigeon.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 6/29/15 at 4:48 pm to fisherbm1112
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You can't tell me that for clays a high end over under isn't a better gun though
Do you shoot registered NSCA? There's a long list of master class shooters with autoloaders when the tournament is on the line.
You outta visit the shooting complex in San Antonio in October. You'll change your mind about autoloaders.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 5:21 pm to Carson123987
I like the non-traditional look, however I don't plan on purchasing any more new 12 gauges.
If a 28ga materializes I will perk up.
If a 28ga materializes I will perk up.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 6:10 pm to CFDoc
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Do you shoot registered NSCA? There's a long list of master class shooters with autoloaders when the tournament is on the line.
You outta visit the shooting complex in San Antonio in October. You'll change your mind about autoloaders.
I shoot in plenty of events. Once again I am not knocking autoloaders. To answer your question most shotguns that can handle the number of rounds you are talking about require interval maintenance. To go to your autoloader point a lot of people do shoot them, especially because for the amount of money that you can buy a top of the line auto loader you are only scratching the surface on a lot of the entry level o/u much like the silver pigeon that I have which I bought to ensure that I like the sport and to get myself familiar with o/u with a less expensive gun before stepping it up. People who can afford the more expensive guns will fly to where they need to go, get fitted for a gun, and then buy that gun like I will most likely do next year. Those people are spending $15,000 on the extremely low end of the spectrum. A lot of the people who shoot autoloaders professionally do so with a gun that was given to them and highly modified stock for fit, others are just shooting them because that is what they can afford and it was the best option for the money which there is no problem with that.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 6:20 pm to Carson123987
I will just make a note about racks in the background of the picture: Note how the Europeans almost completely own the shotgun market in this country (especiall autoloaders).
Posted on 6/29/15 at 6:24 pm to Carson123987
beautiful gun. when CA bans 3 shots i guess i'll get a O/U. 
Posted on 6/29/15 at 7:04 pm to Mung
Ridiculously ugly, beretta ultralight deluxe or browning 725 feather all day long.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 7:14 pm to Carson123987
nice tribal armband tat, baw
Posted on 6/29/15 at 7:21 pm to aVatiger
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nice tribal armband tat, baw
Not me, not tribal
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:34 pm to Carson123987
I've got a Yildiz that takes the same shells and kills the same birds for $2600 less...
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 6/30/15 at 3:06 pm to Carson123987
I was passing by and pulled in to take a look at it today, felt well balanced, and shouldered well.... But that's about all I really know about O/U
Posted on 6/30/15 at 3:22 pm to Citica8
I'm going to stop by there tomorrow
Posted on 6/30/15 at 3:45 pm to KingRanch
Glad I got to see if before it ends up in KR manor.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 4:25 pm to KingRanch
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I'm going to stop by there tomorrow
Posted on 6/30/15 at 4:34 pm to Hangover Haven
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I've got a Yildiz that takes the same shells and kills the same birds for $2600 less...
OK, and?
What do you get by posting this? What's the point?
I have a Beretta 686 but I would love to have a Beretta SO10. The 686 will kill just as well as the SO10 but I still want the SO10. shite for that matter a single shot crack barrel .410, .20 or whatever else will as well but I don't want a single shot crack barrel.
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 6/30/15 at 4:43 pm to fisherbm1112
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I shoot in plenty of events.
I'm not trying to be an argumentative dick but your experiences are vastly different than mine in the decade and a half I've been shooting competitively.
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To answer your question most shotguns that can handle the number of rounds you are talking about require interval maintenance.
High quality sporting O/U's and autoloaders these days need about the same amount of maintenance. Very little. But both require it. Heck, Ceasar Guerini's ($4000 and up O/U's) tell you up front that your gun will need "pit stops" for maintenance and even offer the first pit stop free of charge. Every serious clay shooter I know does at least yearly maintenance on their O/U of some sort.
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People who can afford the more expensive guns will fly to where they need to go, get fitted for a gun, and then buy that gun
Sorry man, but this is just patently false in my experiences. I can give you a long list of extremely wealthy (and nationally ranked master class) shooters that shoot autoloaders when the targets get serious.
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A lot of the people who shoot autoloaders professionally do so with a gun that was given to them and highly modified stock for fit,
This is exactly the case for O/U's as well. My good buddy just finished in the top 12 at the US Open with a Beretta 391. He's sponsored by Blaser (for now). Has a custom fitted Blaser F3. Still shoots the 391 better.
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because that is what they can afford
Again, patently false.
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