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So, I decided to order one of the Garands from Royal Tiger Imports

Posted on 3/7/24 at 1:31 pm
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20359 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 1:31 pm
I've always wanted a Garand, and for years toyed with the idea of getting one from the CMP. I never did, due to all the various hoops to jump through.

I didn't just want "a Garand", I wanted something with a little history behind it. I do have some older milsurp rifles, and I want the "been there done that" part, not just a pile of parts stuck into a brand new stock.

So, RTI has been listing guns in "original condition, unrefinished"... which looked fairly rough. They would list actual guns with photos, so you could see what you'd get.

For $899 (yeah, a little higher than CMP base prices), I picked this up.






It is a Springfield Armory, with all SA parts. The receiver dates to April 1943, the barrel is SA marked 1944. As I recall, the bore and throat erosion were both around 3-4, so shot quite a bit but not completely shot out.

There is really very little pitting anywhere. The parkerizing is worn but still present, lots of freckling but that cleaned up with oil and TLC, the gas port looks mostly in the white (as I understand, it's stainless and would usually lose the black finish in a hurry), it has post-WW2 sights and a late trigger guard.
The stock is dinged up but no cracks, and with a little care cleaned up nicely. I rubbed down with raw linseed oil, and a few applications seemed to help the wood a LOT.
I didn't remove the numbering, as I understand those are rack numbers, and just some more history.

These came from Ethiopia, and my understanding is the US sent them a shipment of about 10k-20k. So we likely arsenal refurbished, then sent them, and they stored them as-is. So my best guess is this is as-is from when we shelved the guns, I don't expect the Ethiopians did any further "refurbishing" or what-not.

I took it to the range recently and shot some S&B 30.06 Garand load ammo through it, ran great and seemed accurate enough to my eyes. Might not be a match-grade gun, but I'm not a match-grade shooter
No hangups, shots grouped where I aimed (no flyers, no indication of widening groups or keyholing).
I was a bit surprised at how soft it was, as I was thinking it would be closer to the 8mm Mausers I have, or at least harder recoiling than my Cetme (a Spanish 308 semiauto, basically same design as HK G3). It's softer than the Cetme.
Oh, and yeah- I did give myself a slight case of Garand Thumb , while breaking it down, cleaning deeply and reassembling it. Nothing too bad, but between being a lefty, and just trying to figure out how this gun works, it was bound to happen.

I'm really pleased with it, it seems to be exactly what I wanted- a WW2 weapon that was redeployed to Korea, then was lend-leased out; and then coming home with me in basically the same condition it was on the rack. That's worth the extra money, as I wanted a surplus, not "just a rifle". I didn't want a brand new gun.

That's my review and impression, if anyone is curious about them.

To add- yeah, they did stick an import stamping on it, as required by any importer. It's a very faint electropencil marking on the barrel, that you really have to look for to find. Right hand side, in the photo it looks like some frecking above the gas tube.
This post was edited on 3/7/24 at 1:39 pm
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
10354 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 1:47 pm to
Great pieces of American history. I picked out a field grade rifle from the CMP about 10 years ago and was able to find one with some original character (original stock, 1943 SA receiver, milled trigger guard) and a Norwegian replacement barrel still in great condition.

I don't shoot that one as much because I don't have a lot of my Greek surplus ammo left, but have a 1944 Springfield CMP 308 special which is one of my favorite rifles to shoot.

I've thought about ordering an M1 carbine through Royal Tiger but they ain't cheap.

Posted by zippyputt
Member since Jul 2005
5758 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 2:14 pm to
Nice!
Posted by Shut Up Mulllet
Member since Apr 2021
781 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 2:59 pm to
Im glad you’re happy with your rifle.
But man, 900$ . They must be making a fortune off those things. They can’t be paying more than 200$ for them. I think I gave 200$ for my 8mm still in grease.
This post was edited on 3/7/24 at 3:01 pm
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24966 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 3:11 pm to
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They can’t be paying more than 200$ for them. I think I gave 200$ for my 8mm still in grease.


Have you paid any attention to the price of guns over the last 3-4 yrs at all?
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
10354 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 3:43 pm to
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But man, 900$ . They must be making a fortune off those things. They can’t be paying more than 200$ for them. I think I gave 200$ for my 8mm still in grease.
The milsurp market supply has all but dried up, so prices have exploded, especially over the last 5-10 years. 12 years ago I could buy a crate of 10 Mosins for right at $1,000. Today those things sell for $400-$500 apiece. The previously steady flow of crates of surplus rifles is now a small trickle.

And because of the Hughes Amendment, the milsurp market for rifles is basically forever limited to those used through about the 1960s (Garands, SKSs, etc.), as pretty much everything adopted and manufactured after that point is select fire.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 3/7/24 at 3:49 pm to
What’s the muzzle look like?
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29377 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:45 pm to
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I've thought about ordering an M1 carbine through Royal Tiger but they ain't cheap

My dad went to help his cousin clean out her parents house to sell. She was an only child and never had kids of her own. She gave my dad all of his uncles guns. He had some pretty neat air rifles, an old arse co2 pellet pistol, Winchester 20g, and a GI gun case. Dad opened it up and it’s an M1 carbine with gi bandolier. His uncle served in Korea, were trying to look up the serial numbers to see if it was his service rifle or something he bought when he got home. Either way, it was in excellent condition. He was so excited he FaceTimed me to show me. I thought something was wrong because my dad never uses FaceTime.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24966 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:55 pm to
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crate of 10 Mosins for right at $1,000


I remember in the 90s an SKS was less than $100
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
10354 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 8:07 am to
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My dad went to help his cousin clean out her parents house to sell. She was an only child and never had kids of her own. She gave my dad all of his uncles guns. He had some pretty neat air rifles, an old arse co2 pellet pistol, Winchester 20g, and a GI gun case. Dad opened it up and it’s an M1 carbine with gi bandolier. His uncle served in Korea, were trying to look up the serial numbers to see if it was his service rifle or something he bought when he got home. Either way, it was in excellent condition. He was so excited he FaceTimed me to show me. I thought something was wrong because my dad never uses FaceTime.
That's awesome. I've got one my grandfather gave me. For some reason he had it nickel plated, which really isn't my jam. I'm going to have someone strip the nickel and reparkerize it, which isn't cheap but a heck of a lot cheaper than buying another one, which wasn't the case 10 years ago.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 9:07 am to
I recommend anybody thinking about getting one go through the CMP. It's a great organization and IMO worth the little extra headache involved for the first one.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20359 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 1:45 pm to
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I recommend anybody thinking about getting one go through the CMP. It's a great organization and IMO worth the little extra headache involved for the first one.

I've heard nothing but good with the CMP, and it's likely you will get a gun in possibly better condition.

I know RTI gets a lot of grief, and some of it is well-earned. But here's the things I based my decision on:

1) I created an account, on their website, in about 1 minute. Upon checkout, I selected my recieving FFL from a dropdown list, based on my address; painless.
*no scurrying around getting forms signed, no signing up for a Garand Club and getting that, no going to get money orders, copies of birth certificates, passports, etc

2) they list the guns they have, with photos, relevant info like bore and chamber erosion, manufacturer of internal parts.
I saw this gun with the 646xxx serial #, stated condition, parts. I could see the stock and note that the wood matched color upon itself; some didn't.

3) These guns were imported back from Ethiopia. Doing a little research, I saw when the US sent them over:
quote:

Country Year Description NSN Quantity Program Command

Ethiopia 1963 RIFLE CAL 30 M1 1005-00-674-1425 300 SA [Security Assistance] (Navy) CENTCOM [Central Command]
Ethiopia 1963 RIFLE CAL 30 M1 1005-00-674-1425 19423 SA [Security Assistance] (Army) CENTCOM [Central Command]
Ethiopia 1963 RIFLE CAL 30 M1 1005-00-674-1425 200 SA [Security Assistance] (Navy) CENTCOM [Central Command]
Ethiopia 1966 RIFLE CAL 30 SNIP M1C 1005-00-674-1430 3 SA [Security Assistance] (Army) CENTCOM [Central Command]
Ethiopia 1967 RIFLE CAL 30 SNIP M1D 1005-00-674-1431 6 SA [Security Assistance] (Army) CENTCOM [Central Command]
Ethiopia 1968 RIFLE CAL 30 M1 1005-00-674-1425 758 SA [Security Assistance] (Army) CENTCOM [Central Command]
Ethiopia 1970 RIFLE CAL 30 M1 1005-00-674-1425 1083 SA [Security Assistance] (Army) CENTCOM [Central Command]
Ethiopia 1971 RIFLE CAL 30 M1 1005-00-674-1425 39 SA [Security Assistance] (Army) CENTCOM [Central Command]

LINK
Based on this, odds are VERY high it came from the Army, and was sent in 1963. 1971 at latest.

I saw the photos of how the guns were stored; just stacked on each other in sheds. Not ideal storage (athough I would suggest probably low humidity, based on what I saw). That also tells me they didn't go about dissembling or fricking with them much. In other words, same configuration as they came off the rack and were packed into crates.

The only real concern I had, was how much degradation of condition occurred while sitting in those sheds.
Some, not a lot. The wood was dry, but not rotting or cracking.
My photos- the ones on the truckbed, in sunlight, were from when I received it. That's how it came.

The one with the sling, is after I took it apart, cleaned and oiled it (and grease where it should be), and rubbed some linseed oil on the stock.

Some people will hate that it was purchased from RTI specifically, some may because it didn't come from CMP; that wasn't my concern. I could care less who sold it to me, I wanted an actual US-issued, WW2 era Garand, as it came off the rack. No restoring, reparkerizing, replacing stocks or anything done by the importer/seller.

To that end, I wouldn't care if I got it from RTI, the CMP, or my neighbor's uncle who smuggled one home in a duffle bag

**Oh, in looking over things, the barrel is actually 8-43, not 44. So maybe a replacement, or maybe SA had such a large amount of receivers that it sat the 4 months at the factory (from April 43 to August) until the barrel was installed. I like to imagine that's the case .

Any refurbishing seems to have been done in the late 40's, early 50's. That's when I would imagine the stock and rear sights were done.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38728 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 2:30 pm to
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I remember in the 90s an SKS was less than $100
85 bucks as I recall. I have one at that price and two more I paid 250 for. One of them is an un-issued yugo with the grenade launcher attachment

the 85 dollar one is a well used norinco which is my favorite shooter.

anyway nice rifle OP, congrats
Posted by cbr900racer22
City of Central, LA.
Member since Sep 2009
1312 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 2:36 pm to
I have a $100 SKS as well. Misplaced the wooden stock and all the accessories a while back. I wish I still had all the original peices.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20359 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 3:15 pm to
quote:

and two more I paid 250 for. One of them is an un-issued yugo with the grenade launcher attachment

Got one of those at a gun show (I think at the Belmont) for $200.

Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16558 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 3:16 pm to
Been looking for a nice 1903 to go with my Garand, so difficult to find one at a reasonable price now.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38728 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 4:06 pm to
just looked around the sites, they are selling for 600+ now. Good lord
Posted by JackDempsey
Lake Charles
Member since May 2023
273 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 6:19 pm to
Every American should own a Garand. They are a lot of fun to shoot. So much history there...

I own several CMP Garands and haven't been disappointed yet. Although I love the originals in 30.06 my favorite and easily my most accurate is my .308 Expert.

I also have an M1D, yes I love the Garand.
Posted by btrcj
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2019
622 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 6:20 pm to
quote:

I've thought about ordering an M1 carbine through Royal Tiger but they ain't cheap.


Wow, you got that right. Always wanted a mil M1.
Guess I missed my chance.
I will stick with my Universal.
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
20026 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:02 pm to
Love the Garands. Mine are service grades and are fine shooters. They are CMP rifles from trips to the North and South stores to hand pick them.
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