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Snapper projections are out

Posted on 4/8/15 at 3:19 pm
Posted by Motorboat
At the camp
Member since Oct 2007
22678 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 3:19 pm
I'm having a long day and feeling lazy about posting. I'll copy and past from email I just received but here is a graphic of the proposed season length:



quote:

Red Snapper Season Projections
The Council received an update from NOAA Fisheries Service on the red snapper season projections for 2015. The final 2015 recreational red snapper season dates will be announced in May prior to the start of the season. The season length is dependent on the approval and implementation by the Secretary of Commerce of Reef Fish Amendment 40 - Sector Separation and the state water red snapper seasons.

Below are projections based on various assumptions of catch rates, average red snapper weights, and if Sector Separation (the division of the recreational sector into a private angling component and a federal for-hire component) is implemented.




My guess is sector separation with Louisiana's non compatible season will net us appx 9 days. woo freaking hoo.


Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17317 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 3:53 pm to
you'll get 9 days and like it
Posted by Tino
:yawn:
Member since Dec 2004
86225 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 4:04 pm to
9 days is way better than what I've been reading on here
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81620 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 4:11 pm to
This whole thing seems like a movie made in the future where we no longer have a representative democracy.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13365 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 4:49 pm to
quote:

9 days is way better than what I've been reading on here


that's because the original run had a projection of 1 day (back when they were finishing up discussions on Amendment 40).
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 4:54 pm
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13365 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 4:52 pm to
quote:

This whole thing seems like a movie made in the future where we no longer have a representative democracy.


Gulf council is a democracy ( )...

10-7 for Amendment 40

Motion carried 10-7 by roll call vote. Here are the people that voted for or against and the link shows their affiliation.

LINK

Mr. Perret (Mississippi, Other/At-Large)
Yes
Ms. Bosarge (Mississippi, Commercial)
Yes
Mr. Greene (Alabama, Recreational)
Yes
Mr. Williams (Florida, Other/At-large)
Yes
Mr. Walker (Alabama, Commercial)
Yes
Mr. Riechers (Texas, TPWD)
No
Mr. Sanchez (Florida, Commercial)
Yes
Dr. Crabtree (NMFS Regional Coordinator)
Yes
Ms. Bademan (Florida Fish and Wildlife)
No
Mr. Pearce (Louisiana, Commercial)
Yes
Mr. Diaz (Mississippi, Marine Resources)
No
Mr. Fischer (Louisiana,LDWF)
No
Dr. Dana (Florida, Recreational)
Yes
Mr. Boyd (Texas, Recreational)
No
Mr. Anson (Alabama, Conservation and Natural Resources)
Yes
Mr. Matens (Louisiana, Recreational)
No
Dr. Stunz (Texas, Other/At-Large)
No
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 5:02 pm
Posted by AllGravy
Red Stick
Member since Mar 2014
143 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 7:36 pm to
quote:

9 days is way better than what I've been reading on here


Yeah. I thought the season would be closer to 9 hours.
Posted by mack the knife
EBR
Member since Oct 2012
4185 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:17 pm to
does it really matter? no one gives a shite and follows state regs anyway. screw the feds.
Posted by DuckSausage
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2014
422 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:33 pm to
Can someone explain the reasoning behind the ridiculous short season? I've only ever fished inshore but all I hear is red snapper are plentiful and hard not to catch when fishing for other species.
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:38 pm to
In short- The way the fish are counted is screwed up and the way the recreational sector catch is counted is screwed up.

One would like to assume the commercial catch count is accurate.

Those numbers plug into a big formula which then allocates a total catch allowed, then that's further evaluated to create the # of days of fishing allowed.

If my short summary is wrong someone correct me.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13365 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:49 pm to
quote:

In short- The way the fish are counted is screwed up and the way the recreational sector catch is counted is screwed up.


not the most eloquent way to put it, but yes

quote:

One would like to assume the commercial catch count is accurate.


yeah those guys are super regulated and require logbooks.

quote:

Those numbers plug into a big formula which then allocates a total catch allowed, then that's further evaluated to create the # of days of fishing allowed.


this is how I explain it to people

quote:

If my short summary is wrong someone correct me


good job
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:54 pm to
Trying to be short with it. I am just glad I sorta understand it.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13365 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:03 pm to
quote:

Trying to be short with it. I am just glad I sorta understand it.


you are one of the few unfortunately...other than that its pretty much

Posted by DuckSausage
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2014
422 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:06 pm to
That makes sense, thanks for the explanation
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13365 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:12 pm to
quote:

In short- The way the fish are counted is screwed up and the way the recreational sector catch is counted is screwed up.


just to make an even more well rounded reason...with some species, encountering an angler catching said species is difficult by Federal standards...

a much bigger issue is trying to estimate how many trips an angler takes on a regular basis. (which is how the feds perform their effort survey). They expect anglers to remember the previous 2 months of fishing activity, as well as everybody in the household.

Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
29436 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:33 pm to
frick Roy Crabtree and the NMFS right in the arse. I'm following the state regs and will fish all summer. Suck my balls feds.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13365 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:38 pm to
quote:

frick Roy Crabtree and the NMFS right in the arse.


should really blame the other 9 votes from the STATES that also voted yes
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
15176 posts
Posted on 4/9/15 at 7:29 am to
quote:

Gulf council is a democracy


Not in the least. It's basically a plutocracy.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
15176 posts
Posted on 4/9/15 at 7:31 am to
quote:

One would like to assume the commercial catch count is accurate.


There certainly aren't any outlaws in the commercial fleet....

Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
24954 posts
Posted on 4/9/15 at 7:49 am to
The least they could do would be to set the season days on Saturday/Sunday for four weekends with one having an open Monday. At least that way the recreational guys would at least have a shot at one decent trip. Hell with 9 consecutive days you get one weekend since the season will more than likely start Monday June 1st. I read some stats put out by NMMA that 95% of registered boats in the USA are under 26 ft. I would venture to say that only about 1-2% of people with a salt water license actually fish for snapper. Couple that with a short season mostly during the week, unpredictable weather that could cause most if not all that would participate stuck at the dock and then to top it off not conduct fish counts on the oil platforms. What a bunch of useless asshats we have in charge of this.
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