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re: Savage B-MAG .17WSM

Posted on 9/8/13 at 8:44 pm to
Posted by SneauxTiger
Smyrna, TN
Member since Jan 2005
161 posts
Posted on 9/8/13 at 8:44 pm to
I looked at the Ruger .17 HMR a while back. Excellent firearm. Are they producing a rifle chambered for the Winchester Super Magnum (WSM)? I was lead to believe only Savage, in partnership with Winchester, was producing this caliber rifle at this time.
Posted by El Josey Wales
Greater Geismar
Member since Nov 2007
22710 posts
Posted on 9/8/13 at 8:50 pm to
I think the Savage is one of 2 models offered. The others a $1500 single shot.

I have a Ruger 77/17 in the 17 HMR. I like it. I wish ruger made the WSM.
Posted by Judge Smails
Native Son of NELA
Member since Mar 2008
5515 posts
Posted on 9/8/13 at 9:46 pm to
I own one as well and found the bolt to get smoother after I cleaned and lubed it. Last Sunday night I absolutely destroyed a rabbit at 40 yards with mine. In fact, I like it so much my 17 HMR was traded off on Friday.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6812 posts
Posted on 9/9/13 at 12:28 am to
ST,
Just curious, but did the rings in the first pic come w/ the rifle? The scope sure is close to the barrel in the front and the bolt at the rear. I have a Ruger 77/22 whose factory supplied rings were so low that bolt hit the rear ocular of the Simmons 4-14X scope I mounted on it. I ended up having to buy a set of high rings to properly mount the scope.
Posted by SneauxTiger
Smyrna, TN
Member since Jan 2005
161 posts
Posted on 9/9/13 at 10:53 am to
No. Had to try two sets of rings. The curve on the bolt barely slides past the scope eyepiece. Real close, but it clears.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6812 posts
Posted on 9/9/13 at 5:13 pm to
Yeah, thought it looked pretty close.... Let us know how it shoots. I'm really thinking about getting one at some point. If you have any accuracy issues, you might think about a higher set of rings, just in case you're getting any vibration of the barrel into the rings after the shot. I've read of that lately, but haven't read of it elsewhere to know whether it's real or not (although it does sound plausible....).
Posted by AUTimbo
Member since Sep 2011
2867 posts
Posted on 9/9/13 at 7:42 pm to
It's my understanding, as I was told long ago, that the scope should be as physically close to the gun as clearance allows. This puts it more online with the barrel and minimizes the window(at near targets especially)where scope and barrel are not on the same plane.

Of course I would imagine receiver harmonics at the shot could be an issue here but other than possibly loosening screws/rings, etc. it should have no impact on the shot itself
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32021 posts
Posted on 9/9/13 at 8:05 pm to
our walmart is stocked with the ammo and has plenty every time i go in
Posted by El Josey Wales
Greater Geismar
Member since Nov 2007
22710 posts
Posted on 9/9/13 at 8:12 pm to
That's crazy.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6812 posts
Posted on 9/9/13 at 10:22 pm to
quote:

It's my understanding, as I was told long ago, that the scope should be as physically close to the gun as clearance allows. This puts it more online with the barrel and minimizes the window(at near targets especially)where scope and barrel are not on the same plane.


AUTimbo,
That's always been my understanding, as well. Consequently, I've always mount my scopes very close to the barrel/receiver.

quote:

Of course I would imagine receiver harmonics at the shot could be an issue here but other than possibly loosening screws/rings, etc. it should have no impact on the shot itself

I don't think I explained very well the theory I'd recently read. IIRC, the idea of the author was that if the scope is mounted too close to the barrel, w/ the shot, the natural harmonic motion of the barrel may allow the barrel to impact the objective bell of the scope; if so, this would alter the natural harmonics of the barrel and be bad for accuracy. I don't recall where I read this and I don't really know if it's true. I was reminded of the theory by the OP's pic. May not be anything to worry about, but thought I'd mention it as a possibility if the gun ends up not shooting as well as hoped for.
Posted by AUTimbo
Member since Sep 2011
2867 posts
Posted on 9/10/13 at 12:04 am to
Makes sense in that respect
Posted by SneauxTiger
Smyrna, TN
Member since Jan 2005
161 posts
Posted on 9/10/13 at 7:57 am to
The photo is deceiving as the rifle is tilted. The clearance is at least 3/8 inch. At work right now, so not an exact measurement.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6812 posts
Posted on 9/10/13 at 10:15 pm to
quote:

The clearance is at least 3/8 inch.

You should be ok. Let us know how it shoots when you get it up and running.
Posted by Redfish2010
Member since Jul 2007
15169 posts
Posted on 9/10/13 at 10:16 pm to
I fricked some alligators up with my 17 this weekend.
Posted by SneauxTiger
Smyrna, TN
Member since Jan 2005
161 posts
Posted on 9/11/13 at 7:47 am to
Will do. This is the first scoped rifle I have owned. I am familiar with the workings of adjusting the scope "cross hairs" having friends who have owned scopes. However, if I want a 100 yd zero, should I start at 100 yds? Scope is bore sighted. Or start at say 50 yds or less, just to be sure I am hitting the target? I am an old iron sights shooter and that is how I zero my groupings. Zeroed my Mossberg 590A-1, with ghost ring sights, similar to that-25 then 50 yds. At the bench with 1 oz slugs, it will blow away the center at 50 yds. Again, never have zeroed a scoped weapon. Appreciate any advice.
Posted by El Josey Wales
Greater Geismar
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 9/11/13 at 9:21 am to
I start at 25 with a new bore sighted rifle to make sure I'm on paper. Once that's done, I'll move out to 50 and sight in there using ballistics chart on the box. Once I'm pleased at 50, I move it out to 100 and see if everything worked out.

When I sighted my 17 WSM in, my barrel heated up quickly and it affected the groups when hot so keep that in mind.
Posted by POONHOUND
Member since Nov 2010
1505 posts
Posted on 9/11/13 at 10:17 am to
definately start at 25 yards and with a vice if available. i would try and get it on paper at 25, not so much dead nuts dialed in, but if you must, try and be around a 1/2 inch low to dead center.

let the gun rest for a little while,(depending upon schedule)say 15 mins.
then back it up to 50. by looking at the ballistic chart for the 20 grain 17wsm, a 50 yard shot is pretty damn close to the same at 100. it says to be .2 in low to achieve a 100 yard zero, which is kind of splitting hairs.

once you get this, let it rest again for a few. at this point you should be pretty damn close to your 100 yard zero. see what the wind is doing. try and pick a time where its not too windy. i wouldnt go to screwing too much with the left/right at 100, so long as you are grouping tight. If you have to move it over or up/down, check the setting on your scope and notate the moa per click(usually .25 inches at 100 yards). shoot 3 shots at a fresh target before you adjust your scope to account for the possibility of human error.

once you have this down and you feel comfortable you should memorize or print out ballistics for all shots over 100 yards if you intend on making these type shots. example:
150 yards is a 1.2 inch holdover
200 yards is 4 inch
300 yards is 16 inch

I do not own this rifle/caliber, but i am extremely intrigued of the velocity and energy it is capable of, even at the heavier 25 grain bullet.
Posted by SneauxTiger
Smyrna, TN
Member since Jan 2005
161 posts
Posted on 9/11/13 at 11:25 am to
Thanx, El Josey and PoonHound. Great info. Relatively thick and tapered barrel. Was wondering about heat buildup. Will keep that in mind. The chamber is ported on both sides right in front of the bolt head.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6812 posts
Posted on 9/11/13 at 11:49 am to
Good advice about zeroing it. I'd start at 25 yds. Since the rounds are roughly 3000 fps, dead on at 25 yds will prolly put it bout 3" high at 100. Don't fine tune it at 25 or 50 yds. You'll prolly want it 1.5-2" high at 100 yds. Be sure there's NO wind or you'll burn ammo needlessly and get VERY frustrated. 17's are VERY susceptible to the wind. The main thing.........go shoot it and enjoy it!!
Posted by SneauxTiger
Smyrna, TN
Member since Jan 2005
161 posts
Posted on 9/11/13 at 1:50 pm to
At what speed crosswind should I say "forget about it"? This round is reported to be a little less affected than the HMR.
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