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re: Saltwater fishermen: Your most imporatant meeting is in 45 minutes. Get there!
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:08 am to spacewrangler
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:08 am to spacewrangler
Steve tomeny said charter captains are starving because of the red snapper situation. 
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:16 am to spacewrangler
Big Mac said we will likely have no red snapper season next year
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:23 am to PapaPogey
This interesting tidbit came out from Emily (employee rep).
She says that charter captains don't like the weekend only season because in tourist areas, they need to make their money on Tuesdays and during the week... not just on weekends.
Did anyone else hear that absurdity?
She says that charter captains don't like the weekend only season because in tourist areas, they need to make their money on Tuesdays and during the week... not just on weekends.
Did anyone else hear that absurdity?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:24 am to spacewrangler
quote:
Anyone want to give a recap on some of the specifics / comments?
amendment 40 seeks to divide the recreational sector into for hire(charters) and recreational.
this is a divide and conquer technique to take fish from recs and give a public resource to profit centered entities
The data upon which the quotas are based, is flawed.
red Snapper are everywhere
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:25 am to JAB528
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Steve tomeny said charter captains are starving because of the red snapper situation
If you are a professional fisherman, you shouldn't have your success tied to a single species. Sorry, Steve, but you gotta do better than that.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:27 am to Howard Juneau
quote:
She says that charter captains don't like the weekend only season because in tourist areas, they need to make their money on Tuesdays and during the week... not just on weekends.
That doesn't sound absurd, does it? I would imagine they don't like the weekend only season. Am I missing something here?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:31 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:We tried to catch something else. Anything else. Within 2 seconds of hitting bottom. Double red snapper.
If you are a professional fisherman, you shouldn't have your success tied to a single species. Sorry, Steve, but you gotta do better than that.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:32 am to Motorboat
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:35 am to spacewrangler
quote:
OK, so far the only real info that's been given in this thread is that there were a lot opposed to the amendment.
Anyone want to give a recap on some of the specifics / comments?
Those for it, what did they say as to why?
the most reasoned opinion (imo) was from joe macaluso: the commercial and for-hire guys have just as much right to fish as us private guys, but being that the for-hire guys are fishing for profit, their allowable catch should be taken out of the commercial side and not the recreational side. THIS (i'm willing to bet) is gona be where the real fight comes in because of the money involved.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 10:37 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:36 am to Howard Juneau
quote:
This interesting tidbit came out from Emily (employee rep). She says that charter captains don't like the weekend only season because in tourist areas, they need to make their money on Tuesdays and during the week... not just on weekends. Did anyone else hear that absurdity?
How is this absurd? It's not just in tourist areas either. That was one of the few things I agreed with on the for hire deal.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:36 am to AlxTgr
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We tried to catch something else. Anything else. Within 2 seconds of hitting bottom. Double red snapper.
Did you do any free-lining for mangroves? There are different ways of fishing than pulling up to a rig and dropping cut bait to the bottom. If you are a professional fisherman who fishes at least 2-3 times a week, you should know where and how to target other species.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:37 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:no
Did you do any free-lining for mangroves?
quote:OK, but I had no say so. I should have slept every moment of daylight.
There are different ways of fishing than pulling up to a rig and dropping cut bait to the bottom. If you are a professional fisherman who fishes at least 2-3 times a week, you should know where and how to target other species.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:39 am to mack the knife
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being that the for-hire guys are fishing for profit, their allowable catch should be taken out of the commercial side and not the recreational side.
Totally agree with this. They should be splitting the commercial harvest. However, they'd just reduce the recreational quota if they went that way. This argument goes back to the divide and conquer technique that the council is using on behalf of the commercial guys.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:43 am to AlxTgr
quote:
OK, but I had no say so. I should have slept every moment of daylight.
The captain should have recognized it and changed the approach, but those big boat guys get kind of set in their ways. They probably didn't even have gear on board to switch approaches. I hate to say they've gotten lazy, but many of them are set in their ways.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:46 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:This is a troll first boat. The bottom stuff was just something to do between trolls. I had never seen electric reels before. While neat, it's not something I think I'd like to do.
The captain should have recognized it and changed the approach, but those big boat guys get kind of set in their ways. They probably didn't even have gear on board to switch approaches. I hate to say they've gotten lazy, but many of them are set in their ways.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:48 am to Galactic Inquisitor
My coworker that cleaned up at the CHS rodeo during our lengthy 9 day season said they were catching reds on their fly lined baits they were trying for mangroves. So many snapper and so aggressive nothing else had a shot at getting a bait.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:49 am to AlxTgr
quote:
This is a troll first boat. The bottom stuff was just something to do between trolls. I had never seen electric reels before. While neat, it's not something I think I'd like to do.
Ahh, gotcha. Yeah, that is a little different. I've never done an electric reel, but I've caught some grouper before where I wished I had one. Hell, I had a foul-hooked shark damn near put me into a heat stroke.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:52 am to Icansee4miles
quote:
My coworker that cleaned up at the CHS rodeo during our lengthy 9 day season said they were catching reds on their fly lined baits they were trying for mangroves. So many snapper and so aggressive nothing else had a shot at getting a bait.
I fished that weekend. We landed at least one cobia and probably a dozen or so nice mangroves each day that weekend. Add in the king mackerels and a lookdown and we got some variety.
We also spent more time targeting red snapper to make sure we were only keeping good size fish. I've had days where the reds are taking every bait at certain rigs, but you can usually find one with mangroves dominating the top of the column.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:56 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Did you do any free-lining for mangroves? There are different ways of fishing than pulling up to a rig and dropping cut bait to the bottom.
Sounds like a great plan, but we're running into the problem of catching 4 red snapper to 1 mangrove since the population is getting out of hand. The red snapper are now coming to the surface and making it harder to target anything else. I was catching red snapper with my bait less than 10 ft under the water.
Hell, we were dropping down monster sized hardtail for amberjack a few weekends ago to try and stop the red snapper from hitting and were pulling up 20 lb snapper. The fish themselves are making it hard to target other species without killing them. Venting tool is a load of shite, most of the time you pull up a fish from over 60 ft down it becomes shark bait.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:34 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:
id you do any free-lining for mangroves? There are different ways of fishing than pulling up to a rig and dropping cut bait to the bottom. If you are a professional fisherman who fishes at least 2-3 times a week, you should know where and how to target other species.
just about every trip i have been on this week within 5-10 minutes of catching mangroves free lining, Reds will be at the surface as well. 
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