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re: Planting Millet for Ducks

Posted on 8/17/17 at 10:44 pm to
Posted by Sport Wood
Shreveport
Member since Dec 2006
706 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 10:44 pm to
We plant our fields with millet every year. Birds love it. Watch out for the worm. Ate 20 acres of our place before we were able to spray them.
Posted by Homey the Clown
Member since Feb 2009
5715 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 7:27 am to
What would we spray for them worms?
Posted by jimjackandjose
Member since Jun 2011
6498 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 9:35 am to
Carbaryl
Posted by Homey the Clown
Member since Feb 2009
5715 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 9:50 am to
Would the farmers get pissed if we are spraying insecticide all over one of their cuts? Obviously that'd be better asked to the farmer, I guess.
Posted by Foo
Over the Rainbow
Member since Feb 2013
354 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:57 am to
Must follow common agricultural practices....LSU ag center recommends planting millet on or around June 1. Legally can't do it this season.
Posted by Homey the Clown
Member since Feb 2009
5715 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 12:28 pm to
Where is your source stating this would be illegal?
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10443 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

Where is your source stating this would be illegal?




I guess planting it this late would not be standard agricultural practice. The only thing I can think of.
Posted by jimjackandjose
Member since Jun 2011
6498 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 1:15 pm to
pretty sure you can plant it, but can not manipulate it unless following common ag practices
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10443 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 1:28 pm to
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but can not manipulate it unless following common ag practices



So how does that work? Does knocking it over if you go pick up a cripple or when you access the blind make it manipulation?

Kinda off topic but still somewhat to the point, I know some guys up in Monroe that leased a rice field but it was that year (maybe about 4-5 years back) when it rained like crazy during Sept/Oct and the farmer could not get in the field to cut it. The farmer wrote it off and the guys had a field of un-cut rice which was basically off limits since the field did not meet standard ag practice of having to be harvested to be legal. They got all kind of answers on the legality but the overall take was that if you have a field of uncut crop and if one speck of rice hits the water outside of a natural cause, it is a violation. Of course, thousands of birds sat in that field all year.
Posted by jimjackandjose
Member since Jun 2011
6498 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 2:57 pm to
i read through all the requirements last year... if you are picking up birds or dogs knock it down, it is ok...Running all over the place in a ranger to lay it over - no ok.

Really don't leave anything up to a judgment by a game warden.

I planted mine where I would have a landing area in the middle to put all my decoys without having to cross through the millet
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20481 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 3:37 pm to
quote:

Kinda off topic but still somewhat to the point, I know some guys up in Monroe that leased a rice field but it was that year (maybe about 4-5 years back) when it rained like crazy during Sept/Oct and the farmer could not get in the field to cut it. The farmer wrote it off and the guys had a field of un-cut rice which was basically off limits since the field did not meet standard ag practice of having to be harvested to be legal. They got all kind of answers on the legality but the overall take was that if you have a field of uncut crop and if one speck of rice hits the water outside of a natural cause, it is a violation. Of course, thousands of birds sat in that field all year.


How is that outside normal ag practice? If the farmer planted it with every intention of harvest, why as the hunter do you even care when and if he does? That doesn't make any sense to me? You could easily just play dumb, and any good lawyer would get you out of that in a heart beat. Some crops can have a 2 month swing easily. I'd also be curious as to know if the farmer literally can't harvest, what are you as the hunter doing wrong? I don't see how the state could tell you you can't harvest game because the farmer can't harvest their crop.

The main intent of laws like this are so that jokers don't take a bunch of corn or other seed, and just throw it around using the excuse "I was tryin to farm sir". I'm not sure if I've ever heard of someone getting in trouble for hunting over a crop planted and intended to be harvested by a farm.
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 3:39 pm
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10443 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 3:41 pm to
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How is that outside normal ag practice? If the farmer planted it with every intention of harvest, why as the hunter do you even care when and if he does? That doesn't make any sense to me? You could easily just play dumb, and any good lawyer would get you out of that in a heart beat.



Isn't a normal ag practice of planting rice, harvesting it? Don't shoot me, wasn't my field but I think they got several greenjeans opinions on whether to hunt it and the general answer was no or be extremely careful doing it. They were to nervous and the farmer put them in another spot, but obviously all the ducks went into the un-cut rice.
Posted by Texas Gentleman
Texas
Member since Sep 2015
2628 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 3:44 pm to
If the farmer had fully intended to harvest, but was not able due to natural factors hunters most likely would be able to hunt it legally.

That being said a great quote above "don't leave anything up to the judgement of a game warden" is a good motto to live by. You'll find out something's just aren't worth the headache, even if you're sure you have a great lawyer that can get you off.

Our laws here in Texas match up with what jimjackandrose also said, you can plant it but if any of it is disturbed unnaturally, you can get fined big time.
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10443 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 3:47 pm to
quote:

if any of it is disturbed unnaturally, you can get fined big time.



That was the grey area. They could hunt it but if a dog, or a wheeler, or a hunter knocked one rice kernel in the water it was manipulation, since that was non-ag related. Now a combine that cuts it and leaves a bazillion kernels is legal because that is a standard ag practice.
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5143 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 4:08 pm to
Didn't think you had to harvest it. You can plant corn and flood it up to the ears and hunt ducks over it no?

Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19426 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 6:13 pm to
Ok why not pay some kid $25 to ride around on the rice in a 4 wheeler scaring up the ducks whil you hunt a near by field. No more refuge, problem solved
Posted by xenon16
Metry Brah
Member since Sep 2008
3532 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 8:10 pm to
quote:

scaring up the ducks
except that harassment of wildlife is also illegal


Here is the law from FWS on the baiting/planting issue
quote:

A normal agricultural planting is undertaken for the purpose of producing a crop. The Fish and Wildlife Service does not make a distinction between agricultural fields planted with the intent to harvest a crop and those planted without such intent so long as the planting is in accordance with recommendations from the Cooperative Extension Service.
quote:

You cannot legally hunt waterfowl over freshly planted wildlife food plots where grain or seed has been distributed, scattered, or exposed because these plots are not normal agricultural plantings or normal soil stabilization practices. Wildlife food plots may be considered a normal agricultural practice, but they do not meet the definition of a normal agricultural planting, harvest, post-harvest manipulation, or a normal soil stabilization practice.
I'm also trying to figure out the best way to legally do Japanese millet, but in the marsh. Can't find also locally and don't know how I would site prep. One idea mentioned to me was to premix in soil and spread the soil. Don't know if it'll work but might give it a try if I can figure out the right rules to follow.
Posted by jimjackandjose
Member since Jun 2011
6498 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 8:41 pm to
Best way to plant in very muddy areas that you can not hit with any equipment, boots and hand spreader when it is drawn down and soft mud flat. Jap millet does not need a deep planting to grow. It will grow from the impression it makes in the mud if mud is soft.
Posted by xenon16
Metry Brah
Member since Sep 2008
3532 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 12:42 pm to
It's all covered up in vegetation right now. I don't know how to get that soil contact that I know it needs
Posted by jimjackandjose
Member since Jun 2011
6498 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 2:43 pm to
Kill the vegetation in there


And tiller. Going to take a long time
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