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Obama's executive orders on guns
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:19 am
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:19 am
Does anybody know what gun measures he plans on forcing today?
Avoiding the Political Board with this question for obvious reasons.
Avoiding the Political Board with this question for obvious reasons.
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:21 am to ctiger69
I think just the no-fly list folks can't buy guns and they are trying to get rid of the gun show 'dealers'. They want everyone to have a background check, and the gun show 'dealers' aren't held up to that now.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:24 am to Gaston
Care to explain what a gun show dealer is? To my knowledge the only people who don't have to run background checks are private party to private party transactions. Anyone with a FFL must run the check with the sale of a firearm.
If I'm misunderstanding please feel free to correct me.
If I'm misunderstanding please feel free to correct me.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:25 am to smoked hog
You are right. If you are an FFL holder, you must conduct a background check. There is no "gunshow loophole".
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:26 am to Gaston
quote:
just the no-fly list folks can't buy guns and they are trying to get rid of the gun show 'dealers'
This is all I heard as well.
Continuously chipping away at the 2nd amendment. Pretty soon there wont be anything left.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:28 am to ctiger69
Is it executive orders or actions???
big difference between the two.
big difference between the two.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:30 am to smoked hog
I'm guessing right now gun show dealers are considered private party to private party transactions. I guess they want them to be FFL holders and run background checks on everyone. Not sure where the line is drawn. If you show up with one gun and sell it to one person you're fine...if you show up with 75 guns and sell to 75 different people you're a dealer...somewhere in the middle is where the private party to private party line is drawn. IDK how they are going to determine it.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:34 am to Gaston
quote:
I'm guessing right now gun show dealers are considered private party to private party transactions.
Not true. At all. I've had to fill out ATF forms and wait for FBI background check for all but 1 gun I've purchased at a gun show, even the small dealers. Even that one was a single shot shotgun at the shady old Belmont in Baton Rouge (that's now closed).
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:36 am to The Pirate King
I'm not 'for' this reasoning, I'm just trying to 'talk it out' to figure out WTF we're stepping into. What're they talking about then? There's a specific 'gun show' part of this action they're about to lay on us.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:38 am to Gaston
Maybe it will have wording to say that in order to set up a booth at a gunshow you have to have an FFL. However, that would do nothing. You could just make the purchase/sell outside of the gunshow.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:39 am to Gaston
LINK
There are already laws on the books regarding the guy who goes out and has the table at the gunshow with 75 guns with no license.
quote:
Section 923(a), Title 18, U.S.C., provides that no person shall engage in the business of dealing
in firearms until he has filed an application and received a license to do so. Section 922(a)(1),
Title 18, U.S.C., provides that it is unlawful for any person, other than a licensee, to engage in
the business of dealing in firearms. Licensees generally may not conduct business away from
their licensed premises.
The term “dealer” is defined at 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(11)(A) to include any person engaged in the
business of selling firearms at wholesale or retail. The term “engaged in the business” as applied
to a dealer in firearms means a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in
firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and
profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms. A dealer can be “engaged in the
business” without taking title to the firearms that are sold. However, the term does not include a
person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of
a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms.
There are already laws on the books regarding the guy who goes out and has the table at the gunshow with 75 guns with no license.
This post was edited on 1/4/16 at 10:41 am
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:42 am to Gaston
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They want everyone to have a background check, and the gun show 'dealers' aren't held up to that now.
This is what I don't understand...
Not saying I've been to many gun shows (Slidell, Chalmette, Mandeville and Kenner several times over the past few years), but from what I've seen, anyone selling a gun inside the show at a table (ie: a vendor/dealer) does background checks. There's nothing to stop customers walking around from selling their personal guns privately to either another patron of the show, or a dealer/vendor at the show. Will this new executive order prohibit private sellers from selling a gun without a background check?
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:46 am to cdaniel76
I don't see many either, but I know a guy that does have a booth setup at every gunshow I have been to and doesn't have an FFL. He used to be the lease holder for a duck lease I go to. All that he has are old pump shotguns and lever action rifles that he is trying to trade or sale.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:53 am to civiltiger07
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but I know a guy that does have a booth setup at every gunshow I have been to and doesn't have an FFL. He used to be the lease holder for a duck lease I go to. All that he has are old pump shotguns and lever action rifles that he is trying to trade or sale.
In this case, I have no issue with the proposed change in law. Anyone setting up at a gun show to sell multiple guns is technically a dealer in my opinion and should be required to have an FFL and perform background checks...
Just my $0.02.
This post was edited on 1/4/16 at 10:53 am
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:54 am to Gaston
quote:You couldn't be more wrong. Whoever came up with the "gun show loophole" phrase was a pandering idiot. They sell guns exactly the same way as brick and mortar stores, no exceptions
They want everyone to have a background check, and the gun show 'dealers' aren't held up to that now.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:56 am to cdaniel76
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technically a dealer in my opinion
but he isn't a dealer. He can't go to a manufacturer/distributer and buy 20 870's at wholesale pricing and sale them to the public.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:57 am to cdaniel76
quote:
In this case, I have no issue with the proposed change in law. Anyone setting up at a gun show to sell multiple guns is technically a dealer in my opinion and should be required to have an FFL and perform background checks...
Let me guess, you are a "small government conservative"?
Posted on 1/4/16 at 11:01 am to Hammertime
In the 90's Clinton cracked down on many FFL holders, and made them give up their licenses. This was FFL holders that operated out of their homes and sold a handful a guns a year. These are the same type of sellers today that Obama wants to stop from selling guns all together. The ATF won't allow them to have the FFL they want, the gov't wants to shrink the numbers to aid in easier compliance and oversight...
Posted on 1/4/16 at 11:26 am to wickowick
Can I ask...Why is it a bad thing to have more stringent laws on who can/can not buy a gun? Are we opposed to this because it's Obama's idea or because it's a bad thing? If a more deliberate method was in place to make sure ISIS and other trash could not get their hands on guns so easy, why is that a bad thing?
And for the record, I'm a hard-core right wing, Trump supporting, concealed carrying, AR building Republican before you jump to conclusions...
And for the record, I'm a hard-core right wing, Trump supporting, concealed carrying, AR building Republican before you jump to conclusions...
Posted on 1/4/16 at 11:34 am to ctiger69
I have a feeling he is trying to ban private party sales. It would just make it so that anyone wanting to sell a gun would have to go to a FFL to complete the transaction. If they do this it will make gun purchase numbers skyrocket since there are probably more friend to friend transactions every month than there are new firearm purchases.
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