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re: New hunting rifle advice
Posted on 10/16/15 at 8:45 am to ChatRabbit77
Posted on 10/16/15 at 8:45 am to ChatRabbit77
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This is not true. .308 or 6.5 will kill a moose just fine.
Yes it will, with proper shot placement. Just as a .22LR will kill pretty much anything with proper shot placement.
One of the main reasons for a bigger round really isn't for the moose. Moose are located with big brown bear. If you happen to have one charge (which I admit is a slim chance) you may have time to get off one shot. Would you want that to be a .308 or a .338?
ETA: the one guy that post here that I would call the expert in large North American game said a .338.
This post was edited on 10/16/15 at 8:49 am
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Posted on 10/16/15 at 8:57 am to bbvdd
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If you actually have a chance to shoot a moose you do not want anything smaller than 7mm mag
Sounds like you were talking about moose, not Grizzly. Amd while their territories do overlap, they aren't the same. There are a million places to hunt moose that don't have any Grizz.
Posted on 10/16/15 at 9:00 am to bbvdd
I'd prob prefer it to be a .270 because I'd get two shots off and hit them with both. I feel like outside of hunting brown bear the .270 or .270 wsm is one of the best stock calibers around. I'd prefer over the 30-06. I really like .308 as well. I was packing a .338 that a guy lent me instead of my .270 one day, and the rifle itself (both savages in comparable models) just felt like to much gun for the mountains. I got two shots off w/ it, and both hit w/in a 3 in circle in the vitals. I felt the .270 with similar shot placement would have about the same stopping power and similar trajectory/ballistics. I also felt like my shoulder and head would not have hurt for 3 days with the .270. I wouldn't buy a wildcard new fangled caliber, I'd buy something you can walk into any story and have 40 load choices. Also, I wouldn't buy a grizzly caliber to shoot whitetails. If you decide to drop $25K to shoot a grizzly later in life, buy or borrow that one shot gun. All else being equal, my preference would be for the optics to cost at least as much as the rifle.
Posted on 10/16/15 at 9:03 am to nolaks
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I felt the .270 with similar shot placement would have about the same stopping power and similar trajectory/ballistics
as a .338 win mag???? not even close
Posted on 10/16/15 at 9:23 am to ChatRabbit77
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Another caliber I recommend highly is 6.5X55.
Was about to ask about this option. ChatRabbit, I've googled, but can you tell me more about your experience with the cartridge?
Posted on 10/16/15 at 9:34 am to northern
I have killed 2 deer with it. Uncle's best friend has one and has a really far range. Mild recoil (think .243 or 7mm-08). I went through 40 handloads in a day just dinging gongs at 300-950 yards and it did well. It is just a fun, low recoil round to shoot at distance and hunt with. Go on reddit to the sub r/guns. There is a guy there that uses a Merkel RX Helix chambered is 6.5X55. Kills moose every year with it.
EDIT: just saw your post on reddit
EDIT: just saw your post on reddit
This post was edited on 10/16/15 at 9:45 am
Posted on 10/16/15 at 11:51 am to ChatRabbit77
Moose is not the hardest animal to kill and any of the previous listed calibers will do with a well placed shot, the kicker in your list is the brown bear, you do not want something that CAN kill a brown bear, you want something that WILL kill a brown bear. To me that is no less than a 300 win mag and no less than 200 grain bullet. The 300 would be a good compromise for everything listed from white tail to brown bear
Posted on 10/16/15 at 11:58 am to DukeSilver
Tikka fan boy here. Hard to beat for the price. I bought a 270wsm in Walnut a couple years about for $650ish.
But if you dont mind spending a little more, the Sako A7 looks incredible.
If you're really thinking about Moose and Bear, i'd probably get at least a 7mag or 300win mag.
But if you dont mind spending a little more, the Sako A7 looks incredible.
If you're really thinking about Moose and Bear, i'd probably get at least a 7mag or 300win mag.
Posted on 10/16/15 at 12:18 pm to nolaks
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If you decide to drop $25K to shoot a grizzly later in life
What do you mean $25K?
Posted on 10/16/15 at 12:27 pm to DukeSilver
I would probably get a Sako. They are incredibly fine rifles. A Winchester M70 featherweight would be a fine choice also.
.30-06 is great for everything you listed except big bears. I would have a .35 welen minimum and preferably .338 mag if I was planning to hunt more than black bears. .30-06 will do for most but you definitely want more horsepower for brown bear.
.30-06 is great for everything you listed except big bears. I would have a .35 welen minimum and preferably .338 mag if I was planning to hunt more than black bears. .30-06 will do for most but you definitely want more horsepower for brown bear.
Posted on 10/16/15 at 12:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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.338 win mag.
Trying to break the bank and his shoulder all at once, huh?
Posted on 10/16/15 at 12:46 pm to upgrayedd
If recoil is an issue they make a .338-06. Bullet availability might be a problem though
Posted on 10/16/15 at 1:09 pm to DukeSilver
CZ 300 win mag 
Posted on 10/16/15 at 1:16 pm to DukeSilver
Buy a .30/06. If you get the chance to go after brown bears, buy something larger.
Posted on 10/16/15 at 1:49 pm to DukeSilver
My buddy in Idaho uses 30.06, is a great round for all critters that walk the woods in the NW including large animals like elk. Some will recommend 270 but the 30.06 is a better choice and blow whitetail to bits.
Posted on 10/16/15 at 2:13 pm to upgrayedd
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Trying to break the bank and his shoulder all at once, huh?
put a muzzle break and a limb saver on it and it is not that bad at all, just wear hearing protection
I have shot 30-40 rounds at the range with a 338 win mag with nothing more than a little soreness the next day, and that is with a light weight tikka boar hunter with a fluted barrel
as for breaking the bank.? the rifle will not cost more, sure the ammo is a little high but if you cant handle a $50 box of ammo, then you really should not be going on a hunt like that
Posted on 10/16/15 at 6:25 pm to Tigerpaw123
Thanks for all of the suggestions and links guys. I'll have to look at the links and do a little more research.
I should said I have no current plans, and may or may not ever hunt for a brown bear. I was just thinking more in terms of down the road possibilities.
I should said I have no current plans, and may or may not ever hunt for a brown bear. I was just thinking more in terms of down the road possibilities.
Posted on 10/16/15 at 9:00 pm to DukeSilver
The stainless Sako 85 Hunter sure looks nice.
Posted on 10/16/15 at 9:04 pm to DukeSilver
Yep. Just make sure you allow at least $400-500 for a scope. especially for a gun that nice.
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