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re: Louisiana’s Redfish Population Has Collapsed
Posted on 8/25/22 at 10:18 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 8/25/22 at 10:18 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:This makes no sense to me. If your not on plane then both hulls are traveling over the same vegetation.
Are as much if not more destructive to coastal marsh compared to surface drives. Airboats smash vegetation and cause soil depression. The marsh is that sensitive around grand isle and leeville.
Are you saying the air from the motor destroy the vegetation?
Idgaf honestly I live in Florida with a bass boat and much prefer freshwater but you guys are a trip if you think that a big issue with redfish are bowfishing guys with mud motors.
I guarantee majority of guys with mud motors are duck hunters or regular fisherman.
You guys can do what you want but outlawing mud motors that are bow fishing literally won't change a damn thing.
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 2:29 pm
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 10:35 am to Solo Cam
No. The hull of the boat being on the bottom / on the grass smashes it and creates a depression everywhere it passes below a certain depth. This allows water to get to places it wasn't in yet and thus accelerates erosion. It's basically creating canals.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 10:50 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
The arguments that the amount of redfish taken by bowfishing and that the boats destroy fish habitat is just ridiculous. I would love to see the LDWF do research (like they do HIP registration when buying duck stamps) as to what method the buyer has taken redfish in the previous year, that will never happen because anyone with just a little common sense and fishing knowledge knows that traditional fishing method will be astronomically higher. And as to the marsh/habitat destruction (tell me you know nothing about bowfishing without telling me you know nothing about bowfishing?????) we may shoot the edges of vegetation, you can’t see fish in marsh grass and submerged vegetation no matter how many lights you have. I have a single 35hp GatorTail on my bowfishing boat, I very rarely use the throttle when we are in the shallow water bowfishing, you control your speed with the trim of the motor not the throttle. If you don’t like bowfishing that’s your opinion and that’s fine, you’re entitled to that but that doesn’t give you the right to take it away from someone else that enjoys the sport. What’s next, take away bow hunting for deer because they have a longer season and you don’t think that’s fair to you
Posted on 8/25/22 at 11:40 am to HogsWillRiseAgain
I'll ask again. I've been to the GI/Fourchon area fishing several times the last few months and slaughtered reds. Are we seeing the decrease in population closer to the river where Todd fishes more? Seems like GI area is stacked full of reds.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:37 pm to redfishfan
I think it has mainly been in marshes and bayous and inshore water he fishes in his little boat. I’ve seen some discussion before the todd video where they suggested the hurricanes may have really hurt the younger class of fish and so it seems like they aren’t there inshore. That may be the case and the older fish that have moved further out may be doing well and it’s the inshore fish that are hurting.
To be honest, I don’t know. I also don’t know what it’s worth to find out. On one hand, I want them to figure out what’s going on. On the other, I want them to use their government dollars to fix more important things.
To be honest, I don’t know. I also don’t know what it’s worth to find out. On one hand, I want them to figure out what’s going on. On the other, I want them to use their government dollars to fix more important things.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:42 pm to bigbuckdj
quote:
I think it has mainly been in marshes and bayous and inshore water he fishes in his little boat. I’ve seen some discussion before the todd video where they suggested the hurricanes may have really hurt the younger class of fish and so it seems like they aren’t there inshore. That may be the case and the older fish that have moved further out may be doing well and it’s the inshore fish that are hurting.
Gotcha. I've been catching them in the marsh. The marsh north of GI. The marsh near fourchon. The marsh between Fourchon and Leeville. I just don't see what he's explaining in these areas. I could have just lucked out and hit it right a few times but the redfish population seems fine in that general area from Leesville to Fourchon to Grand Isle.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:45 pm to redfishfan
I think most of the complaints are coming from the pontchartrain basin, hopedale, Delacroix, shell beach, etc. where he fishes. I heard some complaints about Venice but it seems like there’s still plenty down there from guide reports, I’m not sure.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:46 pm to HogsWillRiseAgain
quote:
If you don’t like bowfishing that’s your opinion and that’s fine, you’re entitled to that but that doesn’t give you the right to take it away from someone else that enjoys the sport.
Enjoy the ‘sport’ all you want. Right now it’s your legal right.
It doesn’t grant you immunity from the ire of the fishing community as a whole. We’ve all seen the decline in redfish populations since bowfishing became popular. We’ve also all seen the dead fish floating in the marsh with holes in them.
As for the effects of your bowfishing on duck habitats, you simply have no argument there.
ETA: I’m not suggesting that redfish populations are down because of the number of fish you shoot. It’s because these night time activities and 24/7 pressure drive them out of the habitat. Same for ducks.
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 8/25/22 at 1:00 pm to HogsWillRiseAgain
quote:
I would love to see the LDWF do research (like they do HIP registration when buying duck stamps) as to what method the buyer has taken redfish in the previous year, that will never happen because anyone with just a little common sense and fishing knowledge knows that traditional fishing method will be astronomically higher.
Yeah, I could be way off here, but I dont think there are that many people bow fishing to make a significant impact of redfish populations.
Like I said, I could be very wrong, but I've been on several trips with my FIL who takes his camper down near Venice every spring and I've talked to exactly one guy who did a lot of bow fishing. I talked to only a couple that said they do it every now and then when they have buddies/relatives/customers who just want to go experience it. But those sounded to be very infrequent.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 1:11 pm to bigbuckdj
quote:
I heard some complaints about Venice but it seems like there’s still plenty down there from guide reports, I’m not sure.
Guides aren’t necessarily going to publicize that they aren’t catching as much fish. I’ve been fishing Venice 35+ years and the difference in redfish fishing between 25-30 years ago and now is huge. Although it seems to really have declined in last 3-5 years.
20-30 years ago, you could catch and release almost as many as you wanted out in the bays (between Baptise Collete all the way to south pass). You would have your limit in less than 30 minutes most of time.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 2:27 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:You just described every boat ever that's not on plane
The hull of the boat being on the bottom / on the grass smashes it and creates a depression everywhere it passes below a certain depth
quote:Yeah I get the concept but I don't see how this is a specific science to blow boats, you do the same thing with a mud motor and the only difference is you till the ground with the mud motor. Plus sounds like a flat bottom would be way better than any kind of V bottom
This allows water to get to places it wasn't in yet and thus accelerates erosion. It's basically creating canals.
Again, no dog in this fight but the logic I'm struggling with, you guys are fighting the wrong devil imo but you can outlaw it idgaf, I'm too old to be bow fishing and sounds like there's not that many redfish left to go catch anyways
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 8/25/22 at 2:52 pm to Solo Cam
quote:
eah I get the concept but I don't see how this is a specific science to blow boats, you do the same thing with a mud motor and the only difference is you till the ground with the mud motor. Plus sounds like a flat bottom would be way better than any kind of V bottom
They are both destructive in their own unique way. An air boat is gonna ride over the marsh grass instead of going around a point after a few passes that spot is bare dirt then not long after it’s a narrow cut and soon after is a gap. The pro-drives make passes chewing up water bottoms and getting into places that 25yrs ago nobody went into.
As for where does the problem lie it’s a multiphase issue but yet ldwf and CCA are willing to sit back because of not wanting to rock the boat is my opinion. Back when gill nets were banned everyone but the couple of fisherman who commercial fished were in favor for it. Now all of a sudden if changes are going to be made to any sport fishing regulations everyone knows that it’s going to have to affect everyone so if you cut bowfishing cca knows rodnreel limits and Quotas on how many guides can get lic will be on the table. If the guides push for recreational limits they know what’s gonna be said by the several hundred thousand recreational lic holders.
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 8/25/22 at 2:57 pm to redfishfan
quote:
I've been to the GI/Fourchon area fishing several times the last few months and slaughtered reds.
quote:
redfishfan
Checks out
Posted on 8/25/22 at 2:59 pm to Solo Cam
quote:You're not following him at all. Air boats go where these other boats you're thinking of don't even come close to.
The hull of the boat being on the bottom / on the grass smashes it and creates a depression everywhere it passes below a certain depth
You just described every boat ever that's not on plane
quote:Holy shite.
but I don't see how this is a specific science to blow boats
quote:No, no you don't, though those can be worse in areas they are used in.
you do the same thing with a mud motor and the only difference is you till the ground with the mud motor.
quote:The V bottoms aren't going in those places!
Plus sounds like a flat bottom would be way better than any kind of V bottom
Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:24 pm to AlxTgr
I’m not suggesting regulation or anything over it but holy crap a full sized air boat moves some serious air. I’m taking knock down small trees and blow all the moss and leaves off a cypress tree in no time.
Another good point brought up is that a powerful airboat doesn’t need water and they do make little runs after a few passes.
Another good point brought up is that a powerful airboat doesn’t need water and they do make little runs after a few passes.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:24 pm to AlxTgr
I nearly divorced with CCA when they agreed to be against bow fishing. Now I wish they'd stayed strong and maintained against it.
Mostly because of what they do to duck hunting. Secondarily because of what they do to redfish in the shallows.
Mostly because of what they do to duck hunting. Secondarily because of what they do to redfish in the shallows.
Posted on 8/26/22 at 9:39 am to Motorboat
quote:
I nearly divorced with CCA when they agreed to be against bow fishing. Now I wish they'd stayed strong and maintained against it.
CCA can win back some respect if they push harder against the Menhaden lobby. The fact we can't anything passed for LA is a joke.
Posted on 8/26/22 at 9:50 am to Solo Cam
quote:
You just described every boat ever that's not on plane
My boat drafts like 14" I'd have to hit the bank going 40 knots to have my Keel hit grass. Anywhere my boat hits bottom hasn't been land in a long long time.
The difference is air boats are running where the Keel is on bottom the whole time, and depressing the bottom/bank while doing it.
Posted on 8/26/22 at 1:42 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Wow, lots of opinions.
I live in SC, near Charleston, and we have the same arguments.
Habitat loss, not only from storms, but also from overdevelopment.
Giggers sticking undersized fish and throwing them back.
Every dude in town with family money calls themselves “Captain”, and has a guide service.
People keeping shorts, or keeping over the limit, and not enough green jeans to police it.
The only way to fix the problem is management, restricting size and number limits making the resource more catch and release.
Pressure on fisheries isn’t decreasing, it’s increasing. Guide boats making two 4 hour trips daily keeping limits seven days a week adds up to a significant number of fish removed, maybe limits on guide boats keeping fish will help to an extent.
I’ve read about Venice fishing for many years, it’s on my bucket list to do one of these days. Quite honestly, I wouldn’t want to keep and fish, I’d be happy with catch and release. I wonder how many people go on guide trips, keep fish, then have them freezer burnt before they’re eaten?
I live in SC, near Charleston, and we have the same arguments.
Habitat loss, not only from storms, but also from overdevelopment.
Giggers sticking undersized fish and throwing them back.
Every dude in town with family money calls themselves “Captain”, and has a guide service.
People keeping shorts, or keeping over the limit, and not enough green jeans to police it.
The only way to fix the problem is management, restricting size and number limits making the resource more catch and release.
Pressure on fisheries isn’t decreasing, it’s increasing. Guide boats making two 4 hour trips daily keeping limits seven days a week adds up to a significant number of fish removed, maybe limits on guide boats keeping fish will help to an extent.
I’ve read about Venice fishing for many years, it’s on my bucket list to do one of these days. Quite honestly, I wouldn’t want to keep and fish, I’d be happy with catch and release. I wonder how many people go on guide trips, keep fish, then have them freezer burnt before they’re eaten?
Posted on 8/26/22 at 2:22 pm to riverdiver
quote:
Wow, lots of opinions.
yes, but only mine is correct.
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