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Looking to buy a big bire revlover for bear defense while bow hunting elk.
Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:31 pm
Currently looking at a S&W 460xvr, Taurus Raging Bull 454 casull, Ruger redhawk in 44 mag
an advice?
an advice?
Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:44 pm to Bleeding purple
I would get a ruger RedHawk .44 and carry some buffalo bore hard cast ammo. It's a reasonably sized gun.
.454 and up gets pretty nasty and difficult to hang on to. The guns also get massive.
.454 and up gets pretty nasty and difficult to hang on to. The guns also get massive.
This post was edited on 4/4/16 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:44 pm to Bleeding purple
I don't really have any advice, but I will tell you this, I have the 460xvr and you can also shoot the 454 casull out of it. Compared to those 2, the 44mag is a pea shooter.
Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:45 pm to Bleeding purple
Cancel that Taurus from your list. I would personally go 460 loaded with Underwood or Buffalo Bore ammo of your choice. That said, if you are recoil shy, the .44 could stop a bear with right ammo as well. I am just not as sensitive to recoil so I would prefer the larger, faster bullet from the .460.
Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:05 pm to cgrand
That's what the park rangers in Greenland carry for polar bears. 16 rounds of 220 grain hard cast 10mm is probably making any bear in North America regret he got too close.
More bullets. Smaller gun. Cheaper ammo. Less recoil. Seems like a no brainer to me but I'm a little biased as a G20 owner
More bullets. Smaller gun. Cheaper ammo. Less recoil. Seems like a no brainer to me but I'm a little biased as a G20 owner
quote:
The weapons carried also reflect the harsh conditions. Only bolt-action rifles (M17/M53) performs reliably. The standard SIG210 Neuhausen sidearm was recently replaced by the 10mm Glock 20, as the stopping power of multiple 9mm rounds proved to be insufficient against a polar bear."[12]
This post was edited on 4/4/16 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:09 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Sig P220 in 10mm
ETA: this really isn't my suggestion.
I'd rather have a Ruger GP100 or Super Redhawk .44 mag with 4 inch barrel.
ETA: this really isn't my suggestion.
I'd rather have a Ruger GP100 or Super Redhawk .44 mag with 4 inch barrel.
This post was edited on 4/4/16 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:28 pm to Bleeding purple
quote:
an advice?
Make sure you have pepper spray on you too and that would actually be my first line of defense. You are far less likely to be injured or mauled if you spray a bear rather than shoot a bear. Also, you can avoid confrontation by being extremely clean with your camp and eating and sleeping in two separate spots. We hang our food, cook pot, any toiletries and anything that has a scent about 150 yards away. If a bear attacks you and you shoot and kill it, but did not have a clean camp and were negligent, you will be prosecuted.
I took a Super Blackhawk with me last year but only slept with it. I actually left it at camp when we were hunting because I felt that's when we were most venerable. I also slept with my boots/pack around my head around the perimeter of the interior of the tent because I have read stories where bears will stomp/bite down on the edges of tents similar to the way sharks bite to test out what something is.
Im sure you already know all of this, but just wanted to be sure.
Also, if you shoot a bear, you better be a good shot under stress and either put one between the eyes, clip the spinal cord, or put it through the heart. Whitetail run 100's of yards being shot in the heart/lungs before they finally fall over. Imagine a 300 lb bear pissed of and scared. That is why pepper spray is a much better option. They rely so heavily on their sense of smell and have such poor eye sight that pepper spray will do the trick 99% of the time. For those other times, I agree I want a big bore gun as a last resort of defense, but it's pretty useless unless he's right on you and you can put a well placed shot on him.
Also, try to think about times you would be most vulnerable. No.1 far and away is at the carcass of dead game when you are butchering. Have your head on a swivel and have someone watching your back while you watch theirs. Ive read about pissing 20-30 yards away as a way to get your human scent further away from the kill site to let any predators know you are there. Dont know how much truth there is to that. Putting yourself between or near a mama and her cubs will also trigger an attack, as well as sitting down in the middle of a food source like wild berries. I know all of this sounds like common sense and it is, but the overwhelming majority of bear attacks could have been avoided by being cautious with these guidelines.
This post was edited on 4/4/16 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:31 pm to ChatRabbit77
quote:He's a Taurus owner already. You don't have to do this.
Cancel that Taurus from your list.
Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:36 pm to bbvdd
quote:
in Greenland carry for polar bears. 16 rounds of 220 grain hard cast 10mm is probably making any bear in North America regret he got too close.
A grizzly bear is much harder to stop than a polar bear. A grizzly has denser bones.
10 mm is not in the same league as a 44 mag and a 10 mm is a terrible choice for grizzly. 44 mag would be the bare minimum with quality bullets for grizzly. In a self defense situation you probably will only get off 1 or 2 shots before the bear is on you. They can close distances very quickly.
This post was edited on 4/4/16 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:40 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:
16 rounds of 220 grain hard cast 10mm is probably making any bear in North America regret he got too clo
The problem is you will most likely only get time for one or two shots. Better make those count. Bears can hit 40mph and above. That's almost 60 feet per second. Most bear/human incidents happen when the beat is first sighted 35 feet away. How many can you put on target in less than a second?
Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:45 pm to dnm3305
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Also, if you shoot a bear, you better be a good shot under stress and either put one between the eyes, clip the spinal cord, or put it through the heart. Whitetail run 100's of yards being shot in the heart/lungs before they finally fall over. Imagine a 300 lb bear pissed of and scared. That is why pepper spray is a much better option. They rely so heavily on their sense of smell and have such poor eye sight that pepper spray will do the trick 99% of the time.
Great post. I researched a lot when we went backpacking in glacier park a few years ago. After reading all the stats pepper spray made me feel much more comfortable. It's not perfect but a mad wounded bear sounds like big trouble.
BP- where you hunting? You dealing with Grizzlies or black bears?
Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:49 pm to Bleeding purple
Y'all disappoint
Judge is the only correct answer.
quote:
Looking to buy a big bore revlover for bear defense while bow hunting elk
Judge is the only correct answer.
Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:49 pm to Bleeding purple
I would rather have bear spray and a pistol.
Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:54 pm to Bleeding purple
Just shot the .460 last week. Great gun, lots of power and extremely accurate.
I would not hesitate to buy it. My business partner carries it as his bear gun elk hunting and fishing. He has reliably carried it all over Alaska and Colorado.
I would not hesitate to buy it. My business partner carries it as his bear gun elk hunting and fishing. He has reliably carried it all over Alaska and Colorado.
Posted on 4/4/16 at 4:05 pm to Bleeding purple
I have a .460 just for the hell of it but for this application it gets my vote. Its a pretty fun novelty to break out with your shooting buddies occassionally too. See what you can blow up/disinegrate.
Posted on 4/4/16 at 4:09 pm to Bleeding purple
File the front sight off so it doesn't hurt so bad when the bear shoves it up your arse.
Posted on 4/4/16 at 4:10 pm to BM7133
What's that old saying about pistols and bears?
File the front sight down so it hurts less when the bear shoves it up your arse?
ETA: almost beat the mountain man himself to it
I'd want a 6ish" .44 mag with the baddest hard cast shite they make. I'm not getting more than one .454 bullet off before I get ate and I don't consider myself overly recoil sensitive with handguns. They're just a whole fricking lot to hang on to and shoot rapidly. Hot .44's are bad enough. 454's are like detonating a stick of dynamite in your hand.
File the front sight down so it hurts less when the bear shoves it up your arse?
ETA: almost beat the mountain man himself to it
I'd want a 6ish" .44 mag with the baddest hard cast shite they make. I'm not getting more than one .454 bullet off before I get ate and I don't consider myself overly recoil sensitive with handguns. They're just a whole fricking lot to hang on to and shoot rapidly. Hot .44's are bad enough. 454's are like detonating a stick of dynamite in your hand.
This post was edited on 4/4/16 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 4/4/16 at 4:14 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I am as scared of those pistols as I am of the bear. The bear may decide not to kill me, but I don't see me stopping the pistol from cracking my head open.
Posted on 4/4/16 at 4:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I agree, the only way id feel comfortable with a firearm aeound a pissed off bear is with a 50 cal barrett and about 100 yards between the two of us. Other than that, id take the bear in an armed human vs pissed bear 10/10 times.
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