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LDWTF axes the tagging program
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:35 am
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:35 am
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:39 am to bluemoons
Dang it!
I thought they were doing away with the deer tag when I went to the link!
I thought they were doing away with the deer tag when I went to the link!
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:40 am to bluemoons
Bummer. However, I didn't realize the recapture reporting rate was that low.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:45 am to bluemoons
Retarded, priorities are arse backwards.
They need to axe the cervid importation band which was set to begin this fall but was postponed to the spring. This measure will severely cripple our local taxidermists.
LDWF Notice of Intent
Let's axe a program that monitors a local resource and instead handicap a local industry for something that has never been found in our state. Louisiana going to Louisiana.
They need to axe the cervid importation band which was set to begin this fall but was postponed to the spring. This measure will severely cripple our local taxidermists.
LDWF Notice of Intent
Let's axe a program that monitors a local resource and instead handicap a local industry for something that has never been found in our state. Louisiana going to Louisiana.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:08 am to bluemoons
I want a TAG sticker.
Not shocked LDWF has been a cluster frick recently.
Not shocked LDWF has been a cluster frick recently.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:16 am to CroTigerXIII
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They need to axe the cervid importation band which was set to begin this fall but was postponed to the spring. This measure will severely cripple our local taxidermists
agree with the other stuff, but come on lets not get too carried away here. Never seen a taxidermy shop worth a flip that wasnt up to their ears in work and its not from imported deer
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:17 am to bluemoons
Not disagreeing by any means that we shouldnt have a TAG program but one of the drawbacks of using "citizen science" is the validity of data you receive.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:27 am to CroTigerXIII
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something that has never been found in our state.
Isn't that the point though? To prevent CWD from coming to Louisiana in the first place?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:28 am to Chuker
We can be our own worst enemies at times 
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:32 am to bluemoons
So LDWF has run out of BP dollars and the are cutting costs?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:38 am to Ron Cheramie
Agree. The tagging program wasn't created or sustained to provide meaningful fisheries data to the department though. It was created to keep the recreational involved in the process. TAG was never a telemetry study. It was just an avenue for recreational anglers to a.) be encouraged to be involved in conservation, and b.) keep track of some of their own "data." I've said this before, but axing the program just shows how little LDWF actually cares about what the recreational angler wants. As if we needed any more evidence of that.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 9:25 am to Chuker
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Isn't that the point though? To prevent CWD from coming to Louisiana in the first place?
Legit point.
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taxidermy shop worth a flip that wasnt up to their ears in work and its not from imported deer
Another good point.
I was using the cervid importation band as a contrast to the elimination of the tagging program....both seem premature and not surprising given the recent affair of this department in our state.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 9:28 am to bluemoons
Well damn, I ordered some more tags about a month ago.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 10:05 am to bluemoons
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The tagging program wasn't created or sustained to provide meaningful fisheries data to the department though.
this is so true, but I've seen grant papers written that showed this was apart of the main objectives of the program outside of the lettered options you mentioned below. shite even Cresson says the data is useful (which is a big fat lie). He's just pissed LDWF will stop paying CCA to do this . The "biologists" in this paper also states that, even though it's not true. Tagging studies do help the stock assessment process, but only if they are well designed, which this program wasn't
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Cresson said he doesn't buy the department's explanation that TAG Louisiana didn't supply useful data. "Tagging programs are used throughout the country, at some of the most-respected fisheries research facilities, to collect fisheries data," he said.
"Most of those programs, however, have nowhere near the body of data that we have now in Louisiana. To see it thrown away is a travesty.
"There are department biologists who think the information is very useful, but they were simply not part of the decision-making process in this case." David's report seems to back up Cresson's statement.
She wrote that "tagging studies have frequently been used to answer fisheries management questions and have played a fundamental role in our understanding of fisheries ecology and population dynamics.
The data from this tagging program can produce alternative measures for fish assessment indices and assist in validating existing stock assessment results." She also noted that the program gives biologists data about habitat utilization and how it's impacted by coastal-restoration efforts.
Cresson said the data is unique because of its volume and how it's acquired. "It comes from feeding fish from every corner of our coast, instead of netted samples from selected areas," he said.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 10:07 am
Posted on 11/30/16 at 10:25 am to gaetti15
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this is so true, but I've seen grant papers written that showed this was apart of the main objectives of the program outside of the lettered options you mentioned below.
shite even Cresson says the data is useful (which is a big fat lie). He's just pissed LDWF will stop paying CCA to do this . The "biologists" in this paper also states that, even though it's not true. Tagging studies do help the stock assessment process, but only if they are well designed, which this program wasn't
A close friend of mine was heavily involved with TAG for a few years during his time working at LDWF. He's a biologist as well. He told me that one of the primary objectives of the tagging program initially was to help assess fish stock, but it's tough to do that considering how loosely organized TAG was, and how many variables are in play. I had a tripletail recapture a couple months ago and the fish shrunk by like 2.5". Go figure. Same thing has happened on a bunch of my redfish recaptures. So basically you're exactly right. Cresson is absolutely upset, because not only does CCA no longer receive money for the program, but more anglers on the water tagging = more angler involvement with CCA.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 10:32 am to bluemoons
it's a "feel good" program that gets anglers involved but citizen science should be taken with a grain of salt. Unless you train these individuals to do it, you run the risk of heavily flawed data. Fishermen lie
Getting the public involved always looks good on paper but you don't want the inmates running the asylum
Getting the public involved always looks good on paper but you don't want the inmates running the asylum
Posted on 11/30/16 at 10:35 am to gaetti15
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Cresson said the data is unique because of its volume and how it's acquired. "It comes from feeding fish from every corner of our coast, instead of netted samples from selected areas," he said.
This is also a blatant lie
The state has an independent sampling program that is statistically rigorous and covers every basin in the state. It has been going on for 20 or so years and is used in all the state stock assessments.
However, a majority of the tagging is done in the Barataria/Terrebonne and Venice areas, by retirees and people who have camps.
And they usually tag undersized fish, so no equal distribution of tags amongst the size classes either
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 10:37 am
Posted on 11/30/16 at 10:36 am to bluemoons
This sucks.
I tagged 60 fish since the start of October and just received my first recapture notice yesterday.
13" speck traveled 14 miles up to Prien Lake from October 13 - November 22
I tagged 60 fish since the start of October and just received my first recapture notice yesterday.
13" speck traveled 14 miles up to Prien Lake from October 13 - November 22
Posted on 11/30/16 at 10:41 am to DuckSausage
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I tagged 60 fish since the start of October and just received my first recapture notice yesterday.
13" speck traveled 14 miles up to Prien Lake from October 13 - November 22
That's the cool part about this project, hopefully CCA can fund the program itself (it used to be like this is the distant past), but I'm glad the State/Feds aren't going to fund it anymore.
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