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If you need more proof that the LDWF is a mess
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:58 pm
NOLA.COM Speck limits
Another article floating the idea of lowering the daily limit or raising the minimum size for specks. Nothing new here. This is Todd Mason's favorite subject.
A major media outlet asks a government agency for a response about the most popular salt water fish in the state and the LDWF won't respond??
People have a right to know where the LDWF stands on this issue. The TX and MS fisheries both responded.
Charlie M is political hack and the agency is a mess.
Another article floating the idea of lowering the daily limit or raising the minimum size for specks. Nothing new here. This is Todd Mason's favorite subject.
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The department declined numerous requests for interviews to discuss speckled trout biology in the state and why it feels no changes are necessary
A major media outlet asks a government agency for a response about the most popular salt water fish in the state and the LDWF won't respond??
People have a right to know where the LDWF stands on this issue. The TX and MS fisheries both responded.
Charlie M is political hack and the agency is a mess.
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 11:05 pm
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Posted on 9/20/16 at 6:17 am to voros79
Where do you stand?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 7:07 am to adhd
I am good with 15 per person.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 7:12 am to voros79
I am good with 15 per person and a 14" minimum. That's plenty of fish.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 7:14 am to FriscoKid
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I am good with 15 per person.
I agree, 15 is plenty fish.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 7:44 am to Manchac Man
15 per person is plenty and I am ok with raising the size to 14". Hell look what it did for the size of Texas trout and the trout in big lake too
Posted on 9/20/16 at 7:55 am to voros79
I'm fine with 15 spaces at 14", but only if they raise the redfish limit. A man can catch a limit of specks in ten minutes when the bite is on.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:05 am to 4LSU2
I am all for 15 fish per person. I think they could leave the 12" min length if they did this. I am always amazed there are still specks to be caught with all the inshore guides hammering hundreds a day per boat.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:21 am to No Colors
quote:
I am good with 15 per person and a 14" minimum. That's plenty of fish.
Regardless whether or not this is "plenty of fish", the biological truth is that the LA trout fishery can withstand a 12" minimum, 25 fish limit. Arbitrarily changing it to 14", 15 fish limit will do nothing to change the number or size of trout. Our fishery IS NOT the same as TX fishery. It's different. Just like different bass lakes thrive with different size, slot and creel limits, different trout fisheries thrive with different regulations. TX and FL by nature of the high salinity of their fisheries support fewer, larger trout. In brackish water environments prevalent in the LA marshes, high numbers of smaller trout will always rule the day.
ETA: And catch reports show that VERY few people catch limits. I forget the percentage, but it's very low. Most people catch less than 10/person/day. Lowering the limits would minimally affect the number of trout caught. There just aren't enough people catching enough 25 fish limits for it to make a hill of beans difference.
ETA2: But let's not let science, catch data and statistics determine regulations, let's let a bunch of Joe Blows who think 15 fish is "plenty of fish" and who don't understand that changing size and creel limits won't affect the fishery positively and only further restrict an already over-regulated industry make the decisions.
/rant
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 8:25 am
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:28 am to The Last Coco
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:32 am to The Last Coco
quote:Your science statement is: Tx is different. Salinity....
But let's not let science, catch data and statistics determine regulations, let's let a bunch of Joe Blows who think 15 fish is "plenty of fish" and who don't understand that changing size and creel limits won't affect the fishery positively and only further restrict an already over-regulated industry make the decisions.
That's pretty weak. Do you know the size would not improve? No, you don't. You're biased and it comes through in your posts.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:34 am to The Last Coco
15 per person is plenty and I am ok with raising the size to 14". Hell look what it did for the size of Texas trout and the trout in big lake too
i agree
i agree
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:42 am to AlxTgr
You do realize that with higher salinity, most other water quality characteristics in estuaries change as well? But I bet you knew that.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:44 am to AlxTgr
quote:
Your science statement is: Tx is different. Salinity....
That's pretty weak.
Fisheries scientists report speckled trout populations ‘healthy’ - That work for you, LaWLF saying the fishery is healthy. They're the ones doing the research, collecting the data, etc...
And it's a well known fact that species diversity decreases but species population increases in brackish environments. I may be biased/opinionated, but I'm also well educated on these subjects. I've done the research, taken the classes and worked in coastal restoration. This isn't some drunken rant, it's based in scientific data.
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Do you know the size would not improve?
If you have a healthy, sustainable population, decreasing the biomass you remove and increasing the minimum size will more likely lead to more smaller fish surviving leading to an overabundance of small fish, not larger numbers of big fish.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:47 am to The Last Coco
quote:
Joe Blows who think 15 fish is "plenty of fish"
You sound like you're all greedy like
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:47 am to jimbeam
quote:ok?
You do realize that with higher salinity, most other water quality characteristics in estuaries change as well?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:50 am to The Last Coco
quote:I don't think anyone is saying the fishery is not "healthy".
LaWLF saying the fishery is healthy.
quote:That statement is likely true in some environments. Are you saying those smaller speckled trout won't grow? This is a case of bass in a 3 acre pond. is there any shortage of food? To be big, they have to live to be big.
If you have a healthy, sustainable population, decreasing the biomass you remove and increasing the minimum size will more likely lead to more smaller fish surviving leading to an overabundance of small fish, not larger numbers of big fish.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:51 am to 4LSU2
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A man can catch a limit of specks in ten minutes when the bite is on.
Sure can. There's also catch and release and many other species of fish to catch that you can occupy your time with if you're worried about not spending a whole day on the water. Ive heard arguments for both sides of the fence. I have no problem either way but I think decreasing limit to 15 or increasing size by an inch or two would have some positive effects.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:52 am to AlxTgr
Speckled Trout Facts - LSU Ag Center
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Why do we have a 12-inch minimum size on speckled trout? A minimum size of 12 inches allows most fish to spawn at least once before reaching harvestable size. All of the males and more than 75% of the females are sexually mature at 12 inches long. The minimum size also increases the overall yield of the fishery. Each year since the regulation went into effect, the average size of recreationally caught specks has been more than 13 inches. Before the minimum size requirement, the average size of recreationally taken specks was as low as 10 inches.
Why don’t we have a larger minimum size, such as 14 inches? Speckled trout have sex-specific growth and survival rates. Males grow slower and don’t grow as large as females. In Louisiana, males do not reach a size of 14 inches until their third or fourth years. Since few specks live beyond age 5, and more than 70% of the total speckled trout population is age 3 or younger, very few males grow to larger sizes. This would result in a loss of recreational opportunity to harvest the males and could possibly cause a shift of harvest pressure to females.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:59 am to AlxTgr
There have possibly been studies done
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