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re: How not to sight fish....
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:03 pm to 911Moto
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:03 pm to 911Moto
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never fished reds with this philosophy
To each his own. I truly love the process of sight fishing. Blindly casting and catching is not as fun to me as stalking, targeting, presenting and catching... I'm there to have fun and I do it in a way that is the most fun to me.
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Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:18 pm to Dock Holiday
No problem with that. Like I mentioned, if there are enough fish in the area that a limit seems likely, I can definitely understand saving the room in the box for the sighted fish and limiting the number of casts purely for the added fun of it.
I was more curious if there are people out there who just don't have success with blind casts and think they are wasted casts - something like "it's pointless and you're just going to spook the fish you could have sight cast to."
I was more curious if there are people out there who just don't have success with blind casts and think they are wasted casts - something like "it's pointless and you're just going to spook the fish you could have sight cast to."
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:24 pm to 911Moto
Is your legal limit always the objective?
Posted on 4/28/16 at 6:49 am to Barf
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your legal limit always the objective?
Pretty sure that is his objective.
What I find interesting is that it seems he has himself convinced that he can always catch more fish blind casting versus a skilled sight fisherman no matter what. Maybe I'm reading that wrong, but it seems that's his stance.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 8:30 am to 911Moto
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People who solely sight fish are driving right by a lot of fish.
Your post makes it seem like you're confusing sight fishing with casting at wakes and swirls ha. Theres a huge difference.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 8:39 am to Dock Holiday
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What I find interesting is that it seems he has himself convinced that he can always catch more fish blind casting versus a skilled sight fisherman no matter what. Maybe I'm reading that wrong, but it seems that's his stance.
Yeah It's hard to tell. Either way it's apples and oranges. I don't think I've ever heard of, or seen a poling skiff hauling in redfish hand over fist. However, I've seen and been on boats that anchored next to a drain and sat there and caught dozens of redfish, maybe even over 100. I guess that could be considered blind casting.
As a general rule, if you can see the redfish, the redfish can see you. Poling around in shallow water is not a high yield game like drowning bait under a cork. Numbers wise, I'd be willing to bet someone who fishes bait will pull in more fish.
I would rather spot, stalk, and land 5 fish in an 8 hour day than sit in one spot and catch 100 with bait.
It's not really fair to compare to the two philosophies.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 8:44 am to 34venture
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Friday was just a bad day overall.
Got to the beach, chocolate milk. Headed offshore in calm seas for mangrove to wait for the water to clear up. Wind kicked up about half way out and my crew must have lost at least 20 fish due to being hard headed.
Return to beautiful water on the beach, couldn't buy a bite. To bridgeside for lunch. Someone jacked a Calcutta 200 while I was eating.
Off to the east, shite water again.
Spin prop.
Slam, bam, thank you mam. Weekend done.
sounds like my trip a couple of weekends ago. It was rough as frick, brother broke one of my reels, i broke a rod, got my anchor stuck on an unmarked cable, and caught 0 keeper fish
Posted on 4/28/16 at 8:44 am to bluemoons
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Your post makes it seem like you're confusing sight fishing with casting at wakes and swirls ha. Theres a huge difference.
He sounds like that guy that gets up on your casting platform and immediately starts fan casting and then wonders why you aren't seeing any fish. "where are the reds?" cast cast cast cast cast cast, pick out back lash, cast cast cast, " I haven't even seen a tailer" cast cast cast cast "if we had some live shrimp we would have limited out by now and been back at the ramp" cast cast cast cast cast cast
We have all had a guy like that on our skiffs.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 8:48 am to Barf
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I would rather spot, stalk, and land 5 fish in an 8 hour day than sit in one spot and catch 100 with bait
Same here. I specifically mentioned an instance where we were fishing a dead end canal with reds stacked up and biting a dead shrimp under a cork - yet I STILL had to start throwing a gold spoon because it's just what is fun to me.
I enjoy catching fish, so yes, on any given day I prefer to hit the legal limit rather than catch less fish. As long as I'm fishing the style that I enjoy (see comment above).
I also specifically mentioned "if water is clear enough to see the fish" - but yes, I do consider it sight fishing if you can see obvious signs of the fish and throw directly at him even if the water is too cloudy to see the actual fish. The difference can be as simple as having on a pair of polarized glasses - if you take them off and can't "see" the fish because of glare, it's still the exact same style of fishing. Argue that point all you want - I don't care.
Will blind casts between sighted fish always catch more fish? I'd venture to say yes the majority of the time. You can't catch what you pass up, and you can't see them all. And you will pass up more than you spook.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 8:55 am to Barf
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He sounds like that guy that gets up on your casting platform and immediately starts fan casting and then wonders why you aren't seeing any fish. "where are the reds?" cast cast cast cast cast cast, pick out back lash, cast cast cast, " I haven't even seen a tailer" cast cast cast cast "if we had some live shrimp we would have limited out by now and been back at the ramp" cast cast cast cast cast cast
Yeah, actually I'm the guy casting with pinpoint precision 6 inches from the bank and hauling in reds while you're standing there with your thumb up your arse.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:00 am to 911Moto
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Will blind casts between sighted fish always catch more fish? I'd venture to say yes the majority of the time. You can't catch what you pass up, and you can't see them all. And you will pass up more than you spook.
This makes it pretty clear that you're talking out of school.
Under no circumstances can you stand on the front of a boat and make cast after cast while trying to spot fish in shallow water. You will burn every pond you enter. I've been doing this a really long time. Thousands upon thousands of hours spent on a poling platform has given me a pretty good understanding of stalking redfish. I can't speak for fishing a dead end canal, it's not something I do or would even know how to go about finding fish in one. However, I do know a thing or two about sight fishing, and what you are describing simply will not work.
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Yeah, actually I'm the guy casting with pinpoint precision 6 inches from the bank and hauling in reds while you're standing there with your thumb up your arse
Ok.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 9:03 am
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:03 am to Barf
That is quite simply not true. I may not spot as many fish, but I'm damn sure going to be catching reds. I've done this for decades as well, son. 
You're also comparing apples to oranges - you're ASSUMING that only people with a poling platform are allowed to sight fish. When you are doing it from the deck of a boat without a platform, you're not going to see near as many fish - thus, you are passing up a hell of a lot of fish if you aren't casting.
You're also comparing apples to oranges - you're ASSUMING that only people with a poling platform are allowed to sight fish. When you are doing it from the deck of a boat without a platform, you're not going to see near as many fish - thus, you are passing up a hell of a lot of fish if you aren't casting.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 9:09 am
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:06 am to Barf
[img]Is your legal limit always the objective[/img]
If you follow the board regularly, you may have seen this post from me as well in meauxjeaux's "slowing down fishing" thread....
I used to fish with my buddy a LOT in Delacroix, and we used to tear up specks and reds. He grew up down there and knew it like the back of his hand - he really put us on the fish. I mostly enjoyed throwing the gold spoon for reds, and you didn't have to go further than 5-10 minutes from the launch to do that.
When I moved into Slidell by the swamp, I bought a little 16' flat for the sole purpose of playing in the swamp, looking for snakes and gators, etc. I had no idea the West Pearl emptied into the Rigolets by Lake Borgne, and dsicovered this by accident. After that, I primarily used the boat for fishing reds, but what I enjoyed most was finding a little 10 ft. wide ditch that led back into the marsh. I'd follow those little canals deep into the marsh into some really shallow ponds where you'd never see other boats, and generally come home with a 2-3 reds in the boat. I did that just about every week, and often twice a week.
I knew I could tow my boat down to Delacroix and catch in 15 minutes what I spent 5-6 hours doing. Or my buddy was just a phone call away and I could fill my freezer. But that "slowed down" fishing brought me more serenity and happiness than just about any other type of fishing I've ever done.
But once I hit the water to fish whatever style I'm fishing that day - yes, my goal is to catch 5 reds, not 1,2,3, or 4. I'm sorry if your goal is to catch less fish.
If you follow the board regularly, you may have seen this post from me as well in meauxjeaux's "slowing down fishing" thread....
I used to fish with my buddy a LOT in Delacroix, and we used to tear up specks and reds. He grew up down there and knew it like the back of his hand - he really put us on the fish. I mostly enjoyed throwing the gold spoon for reds, and you didn't have to go further than 5-10 minutes from the launch to do that.
When I moved into Slidell by the swamp, I bought a little 16' flat for the sole purpose of playing in the swamp, looking for snakes and gators, etc. I had no idea the West Pearl emptied into the Rigolets by Lake Borgne, and dsicovered this by accident. After that, I primarily used the boat for fishing reds, but what I enjoyed most was finding a little 10 ft. wide ditch that led back into the marsh. I'd follow those little canals deep into the marsh into some really shallow ponds where you'd never see other boats, and generally come home with a 2-3 reds in the boat. I did that just about every week, and often twice a week.
I knew I could tow my boat down to Delacroix and catch in 15 minutes what I spent 5-6 hours doing. Or my buddy was just a phone call away and I could fill my freezer. But that "slowed down" fishing brought me more serenity and happiness than just about any other type of fishing I've ever done.
But once I hit the water to fish whatever style I'm fishing that day - yes, my goal is to catch 5 reds, not 1,2,3, or 4. I'm sorry if your goal is to catch less fish.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:07 am to 911Moto
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That is quite simply not true. I may not spot as many fish, but I'm damn sure going to be catching reds. I've done this for decades as well, son.
Has anyone ever told you that you're really annoying?
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:11 am to Barf
Yes - usually motivated by jealousy.
I'm annoying because I asked a question, then when it was responded to, I clarified why I was asking and said "no problem"?
I think it's quite clear who is being the a-hole here just because of my screen name.
Here is my response that prompted all of this:
Again, pretty clear who is overreacting.
I'm annoying because I asked a question, then when it was responded to, I clarified why I was asking and said "no problem"?
I think it's quite clear who is being the a-hole here just because of my screen name.
Here is my response that prompted all of this:
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No problem with that. Like I mentioned, if there are enough fish in the area that a limit seems likely, I can definitely understand saving the room in the box for the sighted fish and limiting the number of casts purely for the added fun of it. I was more curious if there are people out there who just don't have success with blind casts and think they are wasted casts - something like "it's pointless and you're just going to spook the fish you could have sight cast to."
Again, pretty clear who is overreacting.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 9:13 am
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:19 am to Barf
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Under no circumstances can you stand on the front of a boat and make cast after cast while trying to spot fish in shallow water. .
Your viewpoint is so myopic.
I've literally done this, very successfully, for decades. Just because you're inexperienced with it or just plain suck at it, don't project your lack of success at it onto me.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:22 am to 911Moto
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Yes - usually motivated by jealousy.
That's a stupid thing to say. Nobody is jealous of you, don't be stupid.
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Again, pretty clear who is overreacting.
No you're just one of those people who feel like even your uninformed opinion is worth something. Stating things as matter of fact makes intelligent conversation impossible.
To be honest, I don't think you have ever been on the front platform of a skiff, and you certainly do not appear to have ever been on a poling platform. If you had, then you would understand what I am trying to tell you.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:24 am to 911Moto
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I've literally done this, very successfully, for decades. Just because you're inexperienced with it or just plain suck at it, don't project your lack of success at it onto me
Yeah you're probably right.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:28 am to Barf
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To be honest, I don't think you have ever been on the front platform of a skiff, and you certainly do not appear to have ever been on a poling platform. If you had, then you would understand what I am trying to tell you.
And I don't think you've done it any other way than from a poling platform if you don't know that one can very successfully sight fish from the deck of a bay boat or flat boat while pulling in half of your fish on blind casts to the bank. Again, I've done this for decades and suddenly you're going to tell me it was all an illusion and I didn't catch those fish?
If that's the fantasy you have to create for yourself in order to help you believe your way is the only way because, well...it's your way....then carry on.
I bet you just totally lose your shite when you get out on the water and it's not crystal clear - "OMG!!! I can't see the fish!!! What do I do now?"
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 9:35 am
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:32 am to 911Moto
...and again, how you people can get your jimmies so rustled over this response from me is just plain humorous.
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No problem with that. Like I mentioned, if there are enough fish in the area that a limit seems likely, I can definitely understand saving the room in the box for the sighted fish and limiting the number of casts purely for the added fun of it. I was more curious if there are people out there who just don't have success with blind casts and think they are wasted casts - something like "it's pointless and you're just going to spook the fish you could have sight cast to."
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