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How do you fix consistent shooting errors

Posted on 2/8/16 at 2:12 pm
Posted by Jcorye1
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 2:12 pm
I purchased a firearm about a month and a half ago, first one. Obviously I am not grouping shots well yet, but I am keeping all the shots on a chest sized paper from 15 yards out. That being said, I am angling the barrel up and to the right to hit where I want to hit. I am doing something wrong, how do I correct that?
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 2:17 pm
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
13885 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 2:16 pm to
I'm assuming your shooting a pistol. You're probably moving your whole hand when pulling the trigger. Trigger finger isolation is what you're looking for - holding the pistol steady while moving your trigger finger independently.


Dry fire practice
MAKE SURE THE PISTOL IS UNLOADED!
When you can consistently pull the trigger without the penny falling off, you'll be a much better shooter.


You can do the same with an empty shell. Start out by balancing it on top of the slide, then move to balancing it on top of the sight like this picture:

This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 2:21 pm
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 2:18 pm to
quote:

I purchased a firearm about a month and a half ago, first one.


Rifle/pistol?

quote:

Obviously I am not grouping shots well yet, but I am keeping all the shots on a chest sized paper from 15 yards out.


Okay

quote:

That being said, I am angling the barrel up and to the right to hit where I want to hit. I am doing something wrong, how do I correct that?


There are so many different reasons this could be happening. We need to know what type of gun and optics first.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14033 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 2:19 pm to
You are probably jerking the trigger anticipating the recoil. Try some snap caps. Load them randomly into the mag with live rounds and when you get to a snap cap, if you are jerking, the barrel will dive low and left.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71426 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 2:24 pm to
Pistol, Springfield XD standard sights, 9mm.
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 2:25 pm
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11893 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 2:54 pm to
When you are building your fundamentals, you should always focus on the front sight. It is your lie detector and will tell you everything you are doing wrong. This is also what is shown in those pictures balancing the penny or casing or the front sight.

Your sights do not have emotion or reason. They take your input (sight picture, trigger press) and produce an output (hole in paper, mark on steel). If you are giving a bad sight picture and trigger press, you will have the same result every time. You need to slow down and focus on that front sight. When you isolate it, you will see what it's doing when the trigger breaks. Dry firing with a casing or penny is a good method of building that muscle memory and trigger control.

Another good experiment is to have a friend come shooting with you and load your magazines. Have him/her randomly insert a snap cap or dummy round somewhere in the magazine. If you have a bad flinch, it will make itself obvious mid-magazine.

You will always be fighting your flinch as a shooter. There may be days where it gets the best of you and there may be days where you can't seem to miss. Learning to slow down and control your flinch is the best way to lessen its effects on your shooting.

My guess just like everyone elses' is that you're anticipating the shot and pulling your sights off target. Lots of dry fire practice, patience, and focusing on the front sight will help.
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 3:00 pm
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
13885 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 3:14 pm to








Posted by LSUwag
Florida man
Member since Jan 2007
17319 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 3:59 pm to
Stance
Grip
Sight alignment
Trigger control

Work on these in that order and you will improve.
Posted by farad
St George
Member since Dec 2013
9678 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 4:11 pm to
good info...
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71426 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 4:20 pm to
Thanks everyone! I'll make sure to get some snap rounds and start practicing.
Posted by Veritas vincit
Miles From Nowhere
Member since Jan 2011
606 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 4:27 pm to
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6813 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:29 pm to
Some good suggestions, Jcorye1. Since you're new to shooting a handgun, I'd also suggest buying (or borrowing if possible) a 22LR. Yes, 22LR can be hard to find nowadays, but it's still cheaper than 9mm and has less recoil and muzzle blast. In the beginning stages, recoil and muzzle blast can interfere w/ learning good fundamentals. Since your 9mm is a semi-auto, I'd suggest a semi-auto 22LR, as well.
Posted by dawg23
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2011
5065 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:09 pm to
quote:

Thanks everyone! I'll make sure to get some snap rounds and start practicing.
You've received some well-intentioned advice. Some of it may be helpful (such as the part about focusing on your front sight, and having a smooth trigger press/squeeze). You'll get a lot more advice, most of which (like mine) is worth what you paid for it.

Call me tomorrow (225-766-4422) and I'll explain to you (a) what's going on and (b) what to do about it. It would be even better if I could actually see you shoot -- but I can probably fix 90% of your problem over the phone.



edited to fix errors caused by my inability to read and comprehend the English language.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 9:05 am
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:27 pm to
quote:

That being said, I am angling the barrel up and to the right to hit where I want to hit.


So you are hitting low and to the right.

You are:

1) jerking the trigger.

2) pushing the side of the trigger

#1 just takes you focusing on smoother trigger pull

#2 gonna take a different grip or different pistol. A large frame pistol that is a little big in your hand can cause this
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:28 pm to
quote:

Shots going high-right do not result from flinching


He is aiming high right....so he is shooting low and left.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 8:06 pm to
You're pulling the trigger with the crease on the palm side of your first knuckle. It's causing the barrel to move up and right. You want to use the first pallet, or if you have huge hands the second pallet, of your trigger finger and pull straight back.
Posted by dawg23
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2011
5065 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 8:12 pm to
quote:

He is aiming high right....so he is shooting low and left.
You're right -- can I withdraw my bet ??? (I misread his "to hit where I want to hit" verbiage).

My offer to the OP is still open -- call me tomorrow. I can fix your flinch. If you meet me in BR, I guarantee we can fix it. Over the phone, I can tell you what to do, but can't observe to see if you're doing all three of my "three little steps."

If you follow my three steps, it is impossible to flinch.

Just my $.02 worth.

As always -- ignore all advice given on internet forums. (My earlier post is a perfect example of why you should do so.)
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