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Handgun for the Wife recomendations

Posted on 2/13/16 at 12:10 am
Posted by ByteMe
Member since Sep 2003
22346 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 12:10 am
This is mainly for protection. I work offshore and we live in a rural area. She's not scared of guns, but has no experience with them.
Posted by CSATiger
The Battlefield
Member since Aug 2010
6220 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 12:37 am to
for home protection only- shotgun
for first time carry- small 38 revolver
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5860 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 12:43 am to
For home defense, an AR15 loaded with good ammo like Black Hills MK262 or Black Hills Tipped match king or Barnes VORTX 70 grain. For a handgun, let her go to a store and find what fits her hand and feels comfortable.
Posted by boatless2
Member since Mar 2015
612 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 12:57 am to
For the home? I would say a youth .20 gauge with a flashlight mounted to the bottom, and if she wants a pistol, a Full size 9mm with a light mounted to the bottom. And I say full size because they are easier to shoot.

If you are located in Baton Rouge, ride over to precision firearms and let her shoot a few full size firearms and see what she likes.
Posted by ByteMe
Member since Sep 2003
22346 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 1:08 am to
quote:

For home defense, an AR15 loaded with good ammo like Black Hills MK262 or Black Hills Tipped match king or Barnes VORTX 70 grain


LOL. I was thinking more along the lines of something that she can keep in her nightstand. I'm very familiar with shotguns and rifles...not so much when it comes to handguns.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11877 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 1:12 am to
I'll copy and paste my bookmarked response to this topic:

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From myself and other reputable guys here, the most important thing to consider with the above statement is this:

Let her choose her own gun!

She's more likely to use it and be confident with it if it's something she chose herself. Of course you should only let her choose her own gun after she has tried a few different full sized guns to see what fits her best. But too many men will buy a handgun and just throw it in his wife's hand, "here, use this." This is a very bad way of going about it.

Now, with that being said, something else must be answered:

What does she plan to use it for? Home protection? Car gun? Carry gun?

And let me get this out of the way before I continue: for human targets, 9mm = 40 = 45 in terms of mythical "knockdown power." I choose 9mm because you get the most ammo in your magazine. On to the rest...

For any shooter, a larger gun (dimensionally, not caliber) is ALWAYS easier to shoot. A metal-framed full sized gun is even easier to shoot since it weighs more and negates one of the big barriers with new shooters (felt recoil). In this regard, weight isn't a terrible thing. But I always suggest a full sized 9mm to any new buyer regardless of the buyer's intended purpose. If he/she wants a smaller gun to carry he/she can get it later. But having the "base" for a good home defense handgun, i.e. full sized 9mm, is a great place to start. You get a full grip, a full length barrel, a large sight radius, more weight (less recoil), a lighter recoil spring (easier to rack), and a larger magazine. These all make a full sized gun very easy to shoot. Add on a light under the rail (weight directly under the muzzle) and it will be even easier to shoot with less felt recoil.

Once the new shooter has mastered and trained well with a full sized handgun, he/she can work his/her way "up" to a smaller gun. The logic sounds backwards but it's quite basic actually. The smaller the gun, the sharper the recoil. Getting your wife a tiny 38 revolver may not be what's best for her because they are insanely difficult to shoot accurately. They make for a great belly gun but they have extremely long and heavy trigger pulls and have no sights to speak of. But, if she doesn't train often and learn to clear semi auto malfunctions or has difficulty with the controls, it may be easier. But anyone that tells you a woman cannot rack a slide is wrong. Yes, it is harder for them, but they are usually not using a proper racking method or the gun is tiny and has a stiff spring that takes practice to manipulate. Point your thumb toward your chest, gripping the slide behind the ejection port with the base of your palm and the tips of your fingers. Simultaneously grip the slide while pushing the gun from the grip of your hand on the slide. This will cause the slide to move all the way to the rear and slam forward on its own weight. This is the best way to properly rack a round into the chamber while utilizing large muscle groups (chest, shoulders) instead of isolating the forearms. Do not pull the slide back and push it forward - it does not need your assistance.

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For carry guns, most people usually have a rotation of guns, myself included. But I would say the best place to start in terms of a carry gun would be a single stack 9mm. The old adage that you hear is, "carry the largest gun you can comfortably carry." For most people, a full sized, full-gripped, double stack handgun will become cumbersome to carry and eventually be left at home for most people. What's the good in a carry gun if it isn't on you? This is where a single stack 9mm comes in handy - thinness, lightweight, and maximum ammo for its size (versus 40 and 45). Yes, it is more difficult to shoot than a full sized gun and carries a smaller magazine, but its intended purpose is for carry. It is ideal for this role. Rather than having the same gun do everything, having a gun for each role is better, albeit a bit more expensive.

But, for women, their tighter-fitting clothing makes finding a carry gun more difficult. There are other carry methods for women but I still think the best for any person is inside-the-waistband carry. There are a lot of blogs that deal with women's carry (cornered cat, a girl and a gun) and know more about the topic than I do. But I do know they can be successfully carried this way. "But what about purse carry?" you ask...

I have never been a big fan of off-body carry. While pocket carry and inside-the-waistband carry are the two best, purse carry allows the carrier to put a larger gun in a convenient carrying case. The problem is that the gun is not in your possession and is simply out in the open hidden in a container. There was a story recently of a baby accidentally shooting his/her mother in the head with a gun carried in a purse. While purse carrying is better than not carrying at all, it can be seen as worse with a risk like this. Plus if you've ever seen a purse snatching live or on video, they are EXTREMELY violent. Imagine trying to retain control of your weapon if you're being drug around by your purse strap. It's a lose-lose.

So there's my suggestion - a full sized 9mm. I would keep it simple and avoid some guns that have safeties since they require more training. But ultimately her preference will beat anything out. Finding a gun that has a thin grip taper will ultimately be the most comfortable for someone with smaller hands. A few good examples from the big-player manufacturers for a first 9mm are:

S&W M&P
Springfield XD
Glock 17/19
Ruger SR9
Walther PPQ
HK VP9
FN FNS9

If these make her arms tired from holding for too long, then getting a "compact" may be slightly better. "Compact" simply means that the grip and slide are shorter than a full sized gun. The gun itself is typically still somewhat large and will produce more recoil than a full sized gun. But they are still easy to handle. Of the ones I listed up there^, nearly all of them have a compact counterpart.

If you'd prefer she'd have something lighter-recoiling that is heavier, there are a few metal-framed handguns to consider. They have a few more controls than most polymer guns and are hammer-fired, meaning the hammer that strikes the firing pin is visible on the outside of the gun. Some have safeties and decockers that require a bit more training but can be learned:

Sig Sauer P226/228/229
Beretta 92/96
CZ 75/P01
1911

All of these can be had in 9mm. If you step up the cartridge to 40 or 45, expect a bit more felt recoil.

If she prefers the simplicity of a revolver, I would suggest:

Ruger GP100 (4 inch)
S&W 686P (4 inch)

These are great full sized 357 revolvers that shoot even softer with 38 specials. Again, these are not snub-nose revolvers. The triggers will be better, the grip will be larger and more comfortable, and they will have much better sights. Plus, they will be either 6 or 7 shot instead of 5 giving you more ammo for the fight. If she doesn't plan on carrying her revolver, get her something full sized. I cannot stress this enough.




Sorry to the OB for the length. I'm book marking this to use later since the question of getting the wife a handgun comes up often.
Posted by ByteMe
Member since Sep 2003
22346 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 1:28 am to
Awesome! Thank you!
Posted by 4LSU2
Member since Dec 2009
37317 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 4:41 am to
Take a long look at the Ruger LCR.
Posted by ByteMe
Member since Sep 2003
22346 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 4:56 am to
Will do, thanks.
Posted by igchris
Madisonville
Member since May 2015
504 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 8:02 am to
quote:

Take a long look at the Ruger LCR


Why would you recommend a light weight revolver for a defensive pistol to be used in the home?

To the OP, bapple hit the nail on the head. Follow that advise.
This post was edited on 2/13/16 at 8:04 am
Posted by Easternrio
Member since May 2014
3755 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 8:04 am to
Glock 19. End of discussion
Posted by Big_country346
Member since Jul 2013
3606 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 8:18 am to
quote:

Why would you recommend a light weight revolver for a defensive pistol to be used in the home?


Not a damn thing wrong with the LCR. My wife cycles 38sp through mine with no probs and she doesn't like recoil. She doesn't care for the .357 loads though
Posted by igchris
Madisonville
Member since May 2015
504 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 8:28 am to
Point being is why would you want to limit yourself in capacity to defend yourself especially in a permissive environment.

In speaking with deputies and officers around the state, most parishes average 20min or so response time to a violent crime in progress.

The harsh reality is no one is coming to save you. Personal saftey/security is your responsibility. Not that of law enforcement.

I would want my wife to have as many chances as possible to protect herself and my kids.
Posted by LSUlefty
Youngsville, LA
Member since Dec 2007
26443 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 9:13 am to
There has to be a dozen or so threads on this topic.
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
7615 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 10:33 am to
quote:

There has to be a dozen or so threads on this topic.


At the very least... it's an important topic that deserves the attention it receives however it is inquired about here as frequently as; which concealed carry holster should I buy, what gun do you recommend for home defense, & what's the best handgun for concealed carry.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11877 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 11:20 am to
quote:

There has to be a dozen or so threads on this topic.


Besides the response to this in the post above me, not everyone constantly hangs out on the OB. We're here to help everyone, even if it may get tiresome to answer the same questions. That's why I write long posts, bookmark them, and grab them later. Gun owners are here to educate everyone. We gotta be proactive and welcoming in this.

quote:

Point being is why would you want to limit yourself in capacity to defend yourself especially in a permissive environment.


This.

The purpose of a small, low capacity gun is for carry. That's it. That's why it's so small - to carry it around.

When you try to force a carry gun into a home defense role you are limiting yourself for no reason. Why not have a full sized semi auto that's easier to shoot and can also hold 17 rounds? Hell, for that matter, why not get a full sized 357 revolver that is easier to shoot and can hold 6-8 rounds?

And before anyone says "well you don't need all that ammo. It's not the OK Coral," that's an arrogant way to look at it. There is no telling how much ammo will be needed. People react differently when shot and there's obviously no way to empirically test it. I do know that when a human body is shot, fight or flight kicks in and superhuman abilities start to surface.

But never once have I heard someone in a self defense encounter say, "Man, I would've loved to have fewer rounds." I rather have as many rounds as I possibly can because I don't know how many rounds I will need to neutralize the threat.
This post was edited on 2/13/16 at 11:21 am
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11877 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 11:25 am to
quote:

For home defense, an AR15 loaded with good ammo like Black Hills MK262 or Black Hills Tipped match king or Barnes VORTX 70 grain.


I did forget to mention that Chat is not wrong in his advice here. If you're strictly asking about handguns, the long post I made is my advice on that.

If you and your wife train on the AR15 platform, you'll see why it's such a great defensive weapon - light, easy to manipulate, ergonomic, light felt recoil, higher capacity. If you haven't trained extensively on the AR, I would say stick with a handgun, assuming that you train often with that platform.

Remember that in your home, you are not limited on firearm size. A rifle or shotgun with 3 points of contact on your body (shoulder plus both hands) is easier to be accurate with than a handgun. It also has a lot higher chance of stopping a threat with the amount of muzzle energy developed compared to a handgun round.

I know a guy who uses this effective platform to defend his home - and that guy is me.
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17252 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 11:29 am to
I think one of the biggest hurdles to cross is convincing (through hands on training) to a woman that a full size handgun is easier to handle, they always want a cute "little" gun
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11877 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 11:31 am to
quote:

I think one of the biggest hurdles to cross is convincing (through hands on training) to a woman that a full size handgun is easier to handle, they always want a cute "little" gun




Until they shoot it... That's what changes their minds.

That's why I always start new shooters on a full sized 9mm (usually my Beretta 90 two). Because it has very little felt recoil and is easy to handle. Yes, it's heavy but that weight directly counteracts recoil.

As I step down in size they realize how much easier larger guns are to shoot. By the time I get to the "cute" gun, they usually don't shoot it more than a few times before I hear, "I wanna shoot the big one again."
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27351 posts
Posted on 2/13/16 at 11:31 am to
I agree with bapple on pretty much everything but recoil concerning .45 vs 9mm. I actually find as the 9mm loads have gotten hotter the recoil is snappier in a 9mm vs a .45

Usually, a lower ft/lbs round means less recoil.




Then again, I actually like shooting my 760 ft/lb rounds from a compact
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