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re: Got attacked by a wolf last night, in my neighborhood

Posted on 6/3/20 at 4:49 pm to
Posted by Gtmodawg
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Posted on 6/3/20 at 4:49 pm to
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dude more pit bulls have killed people this year than wolf attacks in the history of north America


So mankind has lived in north America for what, 10, 15,000 years and wolves were here long before that...apparently by some estimates 485,000 years prior to that...and you are under the impression that a species of domesticated dog has killed more people in in one year than all of a 10-15,000 year period'

France is a pretty good indication of how this is probably not true. They started keeping records of wolf attacks resulting in death somtime around 820 years ago. From 1200 to 1920, when, by the way, wolves had become almost completely extinct in France, there were 720 documented cases of wolves killing someone in France. Of course France was more densely populated than North America during almost all of that period...may be so today for all I know...but France is what, 1/10th the physical size of the United States, let alone the rest of North America. Native Americans, not known for solid written record keeping, didn't bother to keep count of how many people were killed in North America by wolves, but the number was sufficient for wolves to be considered quite a nuisance to them, according to research, as they have proven to be to all men wherever the live in close proximity. The reason wolves don't kill people in North America today is because out ancestors, knowing what they knew about wolves in the old country, as well as native Americans who had experience with them here in North America, did everything they could to wipe them the frick off the face of the earth....since guns were available wolves suddenly presented far less of a threat to man than they once did.

Finally, you can see a pit bull well trained who will do all sorts of parlor tricks and the vast majority have a very stable disposition and aren't in the least bit viscous. they all have the potential because of their genetics and physical build but the vast majority are nothing but big babies. On the other hand you will not see a wolf, not a hybrid but a sho nuff bona fide wolf, rolling over on demand and offering to shake paws for a milk bone......any manner of wild viscous animals can be trained to do all sorts of silly shite with physical abuse, treats, convincing them it is somehow in their best interest....not a wolf....there is a reason man wiped wolves out when offered the opportunity and it wasn't blood lust and the desire to kill shite because there were much better eating game to be had which also offered better skins for use....no, man wiped wolves out because the men knew, as did the wolf, that the wolf would wipe the man out if given the opportunity...they was no co-existing with wolves....they had to get the hell outa here.
Posted by Gtmodawg
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Posted on 6/3/20 at 5:10 pm to
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It was just part of growing up. The parents might get involved if the dog was particularly vicious, but it was mostly on you to avoid the animal or learn to deal with it. A squirt gun would often work. Maybe add a little ammonia if he was particularly aggressive. Often, simply turning around and charging the dog while yelling was enough to send him away.


Yeah that usually worked well...dogs chase cars and people on bikes because of their game drive...when the thing being chased becomes the chaser most domesticated dogs will back down immediately. The problem with dogs is they don't have any sort of indicator on them which indicates he ain't the one dog in a hundred who is so thrilled with the idea of killing its prey that it is further stimulated when the prey starts to pursue the predator....and then all sorts of ill shite happens, none of it particularly pleasing for a 10 year old 70 pound boy.

I was a fat kid so I know this from experience...the old adage about not having to outrun the lion only having to outrun you applied to me when I was kid LOL...I wasn't going to be at the front of the pack of a bunch of kids running or bicycling away from a dog...my go to tactic was to become the pursuer of the dog...and it usually worked, if we were lucky enough for it to be a single dog. Most dogs who have developed a taste for sweaty 10 year olds and bicycle parts seem to congregate in numbers, no doubt extolling one another with glorious tales of the children they have mauled and the bicycles they have destroyed...so it wasn't normally one dog it was a pack of the damned things! Like most gangs a pack of child eating dogs always has one bad arse bent on making a name for himself...when all the other dogs would tuck tail and suddenly remember they had a pressing engagement elsewhere that one bad arse dog would merely hesitate for a tick in time before giving you a knowing look that unmistakenly said..."Oh yeah, Chunky???? ITS GO TIME!'.

It was at these times that even a husky size wearing fat frick like myself would find some inner strength and could usually catch even the most fleet footed among his friends and pass them before the dog could get more than a couple of pounds of arse meat....if not the caterwauling screams emanating from me....even with no breath left I was able to somehow make some very interesting noise while being eaten alive on the run....would eventually convince even the hungriest dog that sweaty 10 year old ain't near tasty enough to have to listen to that caucaphony and would get one last nip in and stop the pursuit...thank the Christ 'cause even a 10 year old can die of a heart attack running full bore in the heat of a Georgia summer, even if his mama don't have to buy his clothes in the mens department....
Posted by Gtmodawg
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Posted on 6/3/20 at 5:16 pm to
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I remember well. In particular we had a doberman in the neighborhood that would bite and after every kid that passed in front of its house. We were scared to death, but our parents never batted an eye. We were simply told to avoid the house.


And y'all did too, didn't you? Kids used to learn early on that their actions often resulted in consequences and often those consequences weren't pleasant...we teach kids today that it ain't their fault....and then they are shocked when they do something and it is their fault....they can't cope. Nothing like coming home to mama with blood...your own...pouring out of you, fully expecting a hug and some babying, only to queried as to what sort of bullshite did you do this time???? Not only did you not avoid the dog but chances are your pants were torn....and nothing will make a 1970s mama want to whup an arse like a torn pair of sears toughskins…..
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 6/3/20 at 5:31 pm to
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So mankind has lived in north America for what, 10, 15,000 years and wolves were here long before that...apparently by some estimates 485,000 years prior to that...and you are under the impression that a species of domesticated dog has killed more people in in one year than all of a 10-15,000 year period'
Easily. Even with our massive population, the most deaths in North America attributed to wolves since 1900 is one or two.

I think you purposely choose th fringiest information you can find.
Posted by Jopete
New Iberia
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 6/3/20 at 5:33 pm to
I did not read thru 7 pages of bs, but the op of this thread hopefully learned that he shoulda just shot the 'wolf' and went about his bidness.
Posted by Gtmodawg
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Posted on 6/3/20 at 5:48 pm to
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Easily. Even with our massive population, the most deaths in North America attributed to wolves since 1900 is one or two. I think you purposely choose th fringiest information you can find.


Folks were in north America for about 13000 years before 1900...and most of that time they didn't have guns. You may be correct but there ain't no way to know except for what happened in other areas where records were kept for a very short period of the time in question and that would suggest you were off a bit....
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 6/3/20 at 6:43 pm to
Watch out for the full moon
Posted by mrcoon
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2019
536 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 8:01 pm to
yeah, we learned the dog. It was the wheels he hated. We learned to give him a very wide birth and walk our bikes and skateboards past him. Still, it was a thrill to zoom past him on a bike and pray he didn't bite your ankles. It would stop chasing at the edge of his territory because on the other side was the king dog of the hood, Marmaduke, a big bad arse great dane that would whoop his arse if he went past a certain tree, LOL.

It is sad kids today don't get to have memories like that. That dane loved kids but hated that Doberman. We all knew Marmaduke would save us if we just got far enough past that damn Doberman.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
5622 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 8:09 pm to
We still don't have pics of the SO, the dog, the dog bite, a fricking fish, a snake. Nothing. Move this one to the OT
Posted by Sus-Scrofa
Member since Feb 2013
8190 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 8:27 pm to
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wner brags its 98% wolf and I have a photo I'd love to post, except this place makes it fricking impossible


Like genetically? Because I’m not sure that’s very far off the technical norm for dogs.

If he means 98% wolf and 2% dog like a lot of people claim a small percentage of Native American ancestry, it means he has the family trees mapped out a ways back. But for the most part he found someone breeding real deal wolves.

If true, I’d be very curious how he got it.
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
17772 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 8:36 pm to
Never say never, get me a wolf pup I’ll train that little fricker to do parlor tricks
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 9:09 pm to
Let me give you one, (I have done a lot of these cases. This is not one of them but a relative. )

Many years ago In city limits in big city in Louisiana a 60 year old plus lady who weights maybe 120 pounds and lives next door to nut job with big pit bull. She is in her own back yard in March and starts lawnmower, (husband is deceased and my recollection is that she wanted to make sure it worked for yard boy) As she starts lawnmower, the pit bull gets aggravated and jumps fence into her yard and viciously attacks her. She is rescued by another neighbor who has to hit dog in head with baseball bat numerous times to get him to release her. She codes multiple times in ambulance and at hospital from loss of blood, etc. eventually recovers but in hospital for weeks. Police rightfully impound the dog.

After all of this, the neighbors try to get the poor dog released back to them, I shite you not.


By the way, Pit bulls, chows, German Sheppard’s and all wolf dog mixes etc are all excluded from almost all home owner policies and have been for 30 years. I am sure you can buy a supplemental policy or rider but I have never seen or known anyone that has one.

I bet your neighbor will write you a personal check. If you sued him, his carrier would not defend him and drop him like a hot potato.

This begs the question why are people allowed to own dogs that have such a bad bite history that they are uninsurable and should you get a one bite rule for these dogs? ( you don’t get one for pet tiger, alligator, wolf etc)

This post was edited on 6/3/20 at 9:17 pm
Posted by GoHoGsGo06
Member since Nov 2006
5739 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 9:14 pm to
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.we teach kids today that it ain't their fault.
news flash: getting attacked while riding on the street/easement/common areas is not a kids fault. It is the owners fault.

They should be taught that it isn’t their fault they got attacked; and they should also be taught how to hold people responsible for their actions (or lack thereof).

Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 9:36 pm to
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We still don't have pics of the SO, the dog, the dog bite, a fricking fish, a snake. Nothing. Move this one to the OT


Help.me. I thought I was pretty tech savvy until I tried to put pics here.

WTF? I uploaded to imgur, copied the link, and pasted in the imgur tab to post....and nothing. I noticed imgur link starts with https, not http.....whatever
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 9:39 pm to
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If true, I’d be very curious how he got it.



He can explain it in his deposition. Again, hes a lawyer and fricking knows better than to be in the situation hes in.

Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:16 pm to
I represented a teenage girl once, was on the cross country team. She was running on public sidewalk and attacked by two pitbulls and nearly killed. Good samaritan comes out cant get dogs off her and then gets attacked too. Goes back grabs a pistol and starts shooting, first in air then at them to get them off.

That was the end of her CC running. 100s of stitches and kinda changed her personality. Oh and they wanted the surviving dog back too.
Posted by saray
Member since May 2014
459 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:31 pm to
we routinely trained labs to jump 6 foot fences
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81759 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:54 am to
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By the way, Pit bulls, chows, German Sheppard’s and all wolf dog mixes etc are all excluded from almost all home owner policies and have been for 30 years. I am sure you can buy a supplemental policy or rider but I have never seen or known anyone that has one.
Aren't you a lawyer? This is totally false.
Posted by mrcoon
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2019
536 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 6:15 am to
I know for a fact FB won't write a homeowners policy if you have a pitbull
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81759 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 7:46 am to
That's probably true.
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