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Ford will be introducing a diesel in the F150 later in the 2018 models
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:04 pm
No details on it yet but sounds interesting.
F150 diesel
F150 diesel
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Later in the model year, the F-150 will be getting its first diesel engine, but the output of the 3.0-liter turbocharged V6 has not been revealed.
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:06 pm to bbvdd
This has been in the works for some time now. I'm interested to see what the numbers look like. They don't typically release stuff like this (especially fuel economy) until it gets very near release.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:09 pm to bbvdd
Would be cooler if it was a 4 banger.
Likely to have the same issues as all of the other diesel trucks recently released: costs too much, makes too much power, and available only in the expensive trims.
Likely to have the same issues as all of the other diesel trucks recently released: costs too much, makes too much power, and available only in the expensive trims.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:12 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
They'll be what, the 4th or 5th brand to put a small diesel in a light truck?
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:15 pm to mylsuhat
4th I think. None of the other 3 are selling and I find it very odd that Ford would take the same path, although they do have an immensely more loyal customer base than the others.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:23 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I don't think the market is ready for something like that right now. However, once fuel prices climb they could grow some legs. Perhaps they missed the boat a few years ago when everyone was screaming about fuel prices. I don't think the Ram is doing too much in terms of sales with their respective 1/2 ton diesel.
This post was edited on 6/19/17 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:27 pm to bbvdd
probably a $12k option
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:27 pm to Hebed118
Any company that sells trucks in Europe or really anywhere else in the world, likely has a small diesel already. Just not in the USA. So its not like this is a huge thing for Ford to do. The key in say Europe is that diesel is cheaper over there so it makes more sense, they don't tax it as much because it burns cleaner or whatever.
Unless they can put out something like 30+ mph, I just don't see the usefulness of it? I'd guess its only sold in higher end packages with the other makes because its more of a luxury right now unless gas prices change.
Unless they can put out something like 30+ mph, I just don't see the usefulness of it? I'd guess its only sold in higher end packages with the other makes because its more of a luxury right now unless gas prices change.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:30 pm to Hebed118
The market would embrace a lower cost diesel aimed at the commuter who occasionally needs to tow something. Playing the diesel dick measuring game with half tons isn't working. The people who are interested in dick measuring are mostly going to buy the bigger more powerful trucks (as well as the people who tow heavy) and are not too concerned with fuel economy, at least not right now.
Hopefully Ford's diesel will have an economical offering in a base trim, with exception fuel economy and modest performance numbers. That's where the gap is in the market right now. I can't go buy a base model truck with a small Diesel engine.
Hopefully Ford's diesel will have an economical offering in a base trim, with exception fuel economy and modest performance numbers. That's where the gap is in the market right now. I can't go buy a base model truck with a small Diesel engine.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:34 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Bingo! This is something no one seems to be capitalizing on.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:39 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I just don't get it. The reason I toyed with getting a 3/4 ton over my 1/2 had little to do with the engine.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:40 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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None of the other 3 are selling
no one wants to buy a Ram or a Nisson. and GM only has them in a midsize truck. Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:41 pm to Hebed118
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I don't think the Ram or Titan is doing too much in terms of sales with their respective 1/2 ton diesels.
As said that's because they are all in $50k plus trucks I think right? If you are going to pay $55k for a 1/2 ton why not drop 60 on a 3/4 ton which is what most guys are doing.
I agree it would be interesting if Ford could put a small diesel in a $35k truck. I don't see why they can't? A quick look shows a chevy Cruz is $17k at its cheapest and $23k with a diesel now, that's only $6k more.
I feel like a $32k Ford XL 4 door would be sweet.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 3:21 pm to CarRamrod
I think we can roll the Colorado into the conversation, since it's experiencing similar sales numbers. Nobody's figured out that offering a high performance diesel in expensive trim levels of light duty trucks isn't going to sell. Hopefully Ford takes the economy approach rather than performance and luxury route, but I doubt it. The diesel will almost certainly be the premium performer, offered in the premium trims, with the premium price tag.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 4:05 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Nobody's figured out that offering a high performance diesel in expensive trim levels of light duty trucks isn't going to sell.
Honest question, do they actually want them to work? I honestly don't think they do. Frankly, none of the big guys are really huge diesel motor guys. They would all prefer gas IMO, I mean look at Dodge and Nissan don't even make their own diesels. So financially they'd rather you buy a gasser. A huge sector of the diesel market is commercial vehicles that are going to replace them every X amount of years anyway also.
IMO the tech just isn't there yet to slam out a full size truck that can put out a game changing number mileage wise which IMO starts with a 3. So until it does, I don't think the market is there for a 1/2 ton low diesel that does 25 mpg. Most would rather a gasser that does 16-18 at this point.
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 4:17 pm to baldona
The tech is very much there to achieve mid to high 30's in a full size truck. The manufacturers are not willing to sacrifice the performance which we have all become accustomed to. They think (justifiably so) that the consumer will not pay a higher price for less performance or less luxury. They don't want to screw the market up by dropping margins on what is considered the "premium" engine offering because it would kill the sales on the gas engine that is priced above it. So we get high performance diesels in high trim levels at a high price. They want the fuel mileage, but it plays 3rd fiddle to performance and luxury.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 8:02 pm to bbvdd
The dodge smaller eco diesel has been a huge flop. i would proceed with caution.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 8:41 pm to baobabtiger
Part of that was Dodge's execution and Fiat's shite management and engineering. Using a smaller V6 diesel in a half-ton is a better idea than the 5.0 CTD, but it was poorly worked to comply with EPA emissions rules and suffers from problems related to how trucks are actually used.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 8:44 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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makes too much power,
How is this a bad thing?
Posted on 6/19/17 at 8:59 pm to GREENHEAD22
They run light loaded at low efficiency and burn more fuel and break more. People aren't actually working those engines because the people who really do work them buy 3/4 tons. Having that much torque also drives the cost of the vehicle way up since the rest of the drivetrain has to be built to handle it.
Put a modest 4 banger diesel that makes similar peak torque numbers to your small gas burner and you'll start having sales. Keep putting 550 ft-lb V8 shite in small trucks and you won't sell shite.
Put a modest 4 banger diesel that makes similar peak torque numbers to your small gas burner and you'll start having sales. Keep putting 550 ft-lb V8 shite in small trucks and you won't sell shite.
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