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Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:56 am to swanny297
as for marking and retrieving marked falls and running down cripples = GSP wins
but as for sitting still in a blind - GSP not made for that.....
any of the retriever breeds is better suited for that.
just like any of the pointing breeds are better at covering open ground and finding birds/game - despite what the pointing lab people claim.
but as for sitting still in a blind - GSP not made for that.....
any of the retriever breeds is better suited for that.
just like any of the pointing breeds are better at covering open ground and finding birds/game - despite what the pointing lab people claim.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:06 am to choupiquesushi
I think as long as you have a good comfortable blind for the dog, staying shouldn't be an issue, especially with a little electric stimulation if need be.. 
I've been working with my GWP in a raised MoMarsh dog blind and it works good for a young dog because coming from an elevated surface is a bigger mistake to him if he wants to jump out and go dick around. Sure I let him out every 30 minutes or so to stretch his legs, piss, shite, whatever, but I've been pleasantly surprised and how my breed of dog has handled staying in his blind. He's not perfect or nearly as still as most labradors, but him moving around isn't much of an issue at all and he's still young. He's covered from the elements and lays down comfortable if he knows I'm next to him doing the same. Again, mine is not a GSP so I can't say for sure, but I think an important part is just getting them comfortable with a certain setup and going from there.
eta: other than this instance, he pretty much never sits still unless it's time for bed
It's a little tall in this picture, but i'm about to buy the short leg kit to lower it to about half this height.
I've been working with my GWP in a raised MoMarsh dog blind and it works good for a young dog because coming from an elevated surface is a bigger mistake to him if he wants to jump out and go dick around. Sure I let him out every 30 minutes or so to stretch his legs, piss, shite, whatever, but I've been pleasantly surprised and how my breed of dog has handled staying in his blind. He's not perfect or nearly as still as most labradors, but him moving around isn't much of an issue at all and he's still young. He's covered from the elements and lays down comfortable if he knows I'm next to him doing the same. Again, mine is not a GSP so I can't say for sure, but I think an important part is just getting them comfortable with a certain setup and going from there. eta: other than this instance, he pretty much never sits still unless it's time for bed
It's a little tall in this picture, but i'm about to buy the short leg kit to lower it to about half this height.
This post was edited on 12/22/15 at 11:14 am
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:10 am to Capt ST
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GSP, they are by far the smartest dogs ever bred.
Smart enough to know that hunting live birds is funner than picking up a dead bird...
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:10 am to AGraham14
Standard poodle... Smarter and more versatile than retrievers.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:15 am to Masterag
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Standard poodle... Smarter and more versatile than retrievers.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:30 am to CoyillonTiger
Lab
Posted on 12/22/15 at 12:37 pm to choupiquesushi
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as for marking and retrieving marked falls and running down cripples = GSP wins
How many GSP's do you see at hunt tests and field trials? You have nothing to base your statement on.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 12:43 pm to bababooey
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How many GSP's do you see at hunt tests and field trials?
none, because they're all out chasing live birds on the prairie
Posted on 12/22/15 at 12:45 pm to PapaPogey
And that's ok. But lets hear some evidence about their superior marking ability.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 1:24 pm to bababooey
Nobody said they were superior to any other breed. The fact is that they have are born to point, mark, and track pretty much anything you can throw in front of them. Add on top of that a better nose than retrievers, and you have arguably one of the most versatile breeds in the world. GSP owners don't typically field test their dogs because the breed typically can't and aren't supposed to be trained like a retriever. 2 COMPLETELY different breeds for different situations. Again, I'll say that if the OP wants a dog to retrieve ducks for him most of the time and do it well, lab is probably the way to go.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 1:42 pm to PapaPogey
Few posts up it was said they have superior marking ability compared a lab.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 1:47 pm to bababooey
I don't see it anywhere.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 1:51 pm to PapaPogey
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re: Duck Dogs(Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:56 am to swanny297)
as for marking and retrieving marked falls and running down cripples = GSP wins
but as for sitting still in a blind - GSP not made for that.....
any of the retriever breeds is better suited for that.
just like any of the pointing breeds are better at covering open ground and finding birds/game - despite what the pointing lab people claim.
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re: Duck Dogs(Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:56 am to swanny297)
as for marking and retrieving marked falls and running down cripples = GSP wins
but as for sitting still in a blind - GSP not made for that.....
any of the retriever breeds is better suited for that.
just like any of the pointing breeds are better at covering open ground and finding birds/game - despite what the pointing lab people claim.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 2:32 pm to bababooey
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as for marking and retrieving marked falls and running down cripples = GSP wins
How many GSP's do you see at hunt tests and field trials? You have nothing to base your statement on.
not allowed in retriever field trials...... and don't handle blind retrieves well.....
Posted on 12/22/15 at 2:35 pm to choupiquesushi
exactly. Which is why i have no use for a GSP when duck hunting.
If they cant learn to handle and take casts how can someone claim they are so much smarter than a lab?
If they cant learn to handle and take casts how can someone claim they are so much smarter than a lab?
This post was edited on 12/22/15 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 12/22/15 at 2:36 pm to bababooey
I've been around all bird dog breeds plenty for 40 years now.. and the average GSP is a better marker and has better eyes than the average lab i have seen....
it's my opine....
but... I have handled 3 different breeds to field trial wins and 4 different breeds to hunt test passes - with zero professional training and little if any e collar use...
an opine that comes with extensive knowledge playing the doggie games at a fairly high level - I was more into the field trial game - not the hunt test game.
seen most of the best pointers and retrievers that have come through the circuits in LA... not to mention been lucky enough to hunt with several.....
i am one of those old school guys that thinks if your dog needs an e collar to hunt.... he aint' ready to hunt.
it's my opine....
but... I have handled 3 different breeds to field trial wins and 4 different breeds to hunt test passes - with zero professional training and little if any e collar use...
an opine that comes with extensive knowledge playing the doggie games at a fairly high level - I was more into the field trial game - not the hunt test game.
seen most of the best pointers and retrievers that have come through the circuits in LA... not to mention been lucky enough to hunt with several.....
i am one of those old school guys that thinks if your dog needs an e collar to hunt.... he aint' ready to hunt.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 2:39 pm to bababooey
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If they cant learn to handle and take casts how can someone claim they are so much smarter than a lab?
I had one that we lost 2 years ago that was solid on blinds out to about 200 yards... the problem is when you train them to over handle you are generally killing what you had them for in the first place -
TO GO FIND GAME BEFORE YOU SHOOT IT.... and.. if they stumble into a live bird out on a long blind - chances are - they'll point it... which is what they are engineered to do.
as for noses = nearly all pointing breeds > than all retriever breeds.... I have rarely even seen it close.... and I have had some big brown dawgs with ridiculous noses.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 2:41 pm to choupiquesushi
being around lots of GSP, EP, Britts, Labs, Chessies, Goldens, Boykins and setters...
GSPs are often times too smart for their own good.
GSPs are often times too smart for their own good.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 2:42 pm to AGraham14
A pudelpointer, while hard to find, is a great duck and upland bird dog
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