re: Do you carry with a round in the chamber or no?

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I honestly am so confused by your twisting arguments that I am not sure what you are talking about any more. I think we all understand the magnitude of taking a life. Carrying with one in the chamber as opposed to an empty chamber has no baring on the above point. Firearm safety in non-carry situations does not have any baring on either of the two points above. However, we would all rather have to live with the repercussions than die for the lack thereof. We are all responsible for de-escalation, rather than escalation. Spiritual fitness is just as key physical fitness.

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There is no twisting of any argument and I gave no argument to begin with. I simply stated why I don't carry with one in the chamber and had a bunch of John Waynes start stating I'd be better off carrying a rock.

I then state SEVERAL times that if you feel you can carry that way more power to you.

I was then presented with a video as evidence on why my way was wrong (once again never tried to argue my way was the only way just that it was better than a rock).

Looked at the video and was curious to discover it 1. was of a situation that I personally wouldn't have feared for my life. 2. Involved open carry and not CC which we were discussing.

I guess if some can look at that video and claim that if that was them and they were CC'ing they would have feared for their life then we just have differing opinions. I guess some people have been more fortunate than me and lived a life free of physical confrontations.

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If you don't carry with a round in the chamber then you may as well carry a rock.

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Gun people never disappoint.

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it was the open carrying guy doing the shoving to keep the guy off of him

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1. No it wasn't. The other guy followed him in and reached to grab the shooter. He was clearly the aggressor.

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so still waiting on a specific time you laid the first physical punch on the guy and then followed it up with a shooting if needed following.

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2. 10:17 28sec on 4/4/16 he would get it. Hope that helps

BTW-The guy drew his gun when the guy first came in grabbing him. Almost a full minute before he shot him. This is why open carry sucks. If they act aggressive you have to shoot them bc there is a reasonable assumption they will kill you if they can get your gun.

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1. No it wasn't. The other guy followed him in and reached to grab the shooter.

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so there was no physicalness yet. Got it.

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BTW-The guy drew his gun when the guy first came in grabbing him

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he probably had to do some rack sliding.

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so there was no physicalness yet. Got it.

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please tell me what part of someone grabbing you isn't physical?

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he probably had to do some rack sliding.

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Not possible, you said he wouldn't have time....

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At one point you tried using home safety as an argument, quote]

You are wrong. I used it as a reason FOR ME.

[quote]at one point you tried saying you had enough skill to rack the slide without being noticed

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I didn't try to say that I did say that because that is true

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and the skill to fist fight an insane person

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I'm confident in my abilities from years of training to strike a middle to older age man who's in my face. I would think 90% of this board could.

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You question how we non-carry,

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Something wrong with trying to better myself and gain knowledge?

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and if we have the capacity to understand the consequences of taking a life

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False argument. I discussed the gravity of the situation and you yourself admitted you wouldn't have killed him either....cant have it both ways

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At no point did you ever tell us how or why you don't carry in those same situations you asked of us.

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It was discussed/implied with the examples of MY situation with kids, etc. I didn't feel comfortable bc I felt it more likely a innocent could get my gun than someone physically taking it from me.

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You have been all over the place in this thread. It seems as though you are taking a debate over the benefits of carrying with one in the chamber as opposed to not in the chamber, in a very personal manner. I haven't seen anyone say you were wrong if it works for your life.

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Simply not true. I've been steady in the points that 1. Its what works for me. 2. If you can more power to you. 3. its better than a rock

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I haven't seen anyone say you were wrong if it works for your life.

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So you've missed the whole "might as well have a rock", and 21 ft arguments?

When someone tried to tell you their ideas and some industry accepted principals to back them up (21 ft.) you ignore it because you are confident enough to fist fight and Rambo you way out of the situation. That is fine if you are, but I know trained military and police officers, that probably can't do it in a tense situation. Therefore, I tend to doubt your abilities.

You asked how we non-carry, by saying that your friend left one in the chamber when non-carrying as a reason that you don't keep one in the chamber WHILE carrying. If this is not what you were trying to convey then it was confusing to the rest of us.

I am not trying to have ANYTHING both ways. I would not have killed the man, not because it would be on my mind for the rest of my life, but because I would've done a better job of de-escalating the situation. The two are not the same.

If you don't feel comfortable in your situation that is fine, it doesn't mean you are wrong, but it also doesn't mean you are right. Take the steps to increase your comfort level by putting safety standards in place for you, while continuing to be ready when SHTF.

The rock was a poor analogy, meant to convey the immediate response of an unloaded weapon vs. a rock. When given time, of course the un-chambered weapon is better, but nothing guarantees time will be available.

I encourage you to take a pistol course, to not only become more comfortable in your carry but also in your safety consciousness.

NRA Pistol Classes- Louisiana

Train to fight!

The point you're missing is that I've never argued carrying with one chambered is better for a quick reaction situation. No amount of classes (that ive took several times as well as taught)or industry standards is going to alter something I didn't argue in the first place.

I'm admittedly putting myself at a disadvantage in a quick draw situation. I feel I can diminish those odds with awareness and proactivity. Once again diminish, not eliminate.


However, this is not out of fear of the unknown, It is a conscious decision that I'm willing to make at the risk of something happening to an innocent. The chances of having to use your firearm in a personal defense situation are minute, but whatever your preference train religiously for that situation.

Btw- I'm not Rambo. He would carry one in the chamber