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re: Do you carry with a round in the chamber or no?
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:25 pm to jdavid1
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:25 pm to jdavid1
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t's hard to say from watching the video with no audio. I'm a small guy similar to the shooter in the video. If there was a large de-bo sized guy trying to get to me and saying he was going to kill me. Then yeah, I would have acted the same way as the shooter. I can't say what I would have done since I was not there, but to me if looked like the guy feared for his life and was backed into a corner. Side note, the shooting was deemed justified so there's that.
I understand where yall are coming from. I'm in no way saying it wasn't justified, and I might be a little over confident in my physical skills but I feel like after the second time that guy shoves me I unload a right hand to his jaw. If he falls I throw a few more until he's out. If he doesn't I create enough space to get out of that corner and give ground to consider drawing.
I just feel like this guy did a horrible job of anticipation from the start. I feel like the shooting could have been avoided and diffused. The guy was a jerk but wasn't physically hurting anyone until the very end.
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:26 pm to PT24-7
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I understand where yall are coming from. I'm in no way saying it wasn't justified, and I might be a little over confident in my physical skills but I feel like after the second time that guy shoves me I unload a right hand to his jaw. If he falls I throw a few more until he's out. If he doesn't I create enough space to get out of that corner and give ground to consider drawing.
So you want to shoot a guy after you threw the first punch or two. That's fricking brilliant.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:30 pm to PT24-7
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fter the second time that guy shoves me I unload a right hand to his jaw. If he falls I throw a few more until he's out
so once he has fallen and is no longer a threat from the ground you are going to continue to throw punches.
Ok. That actually may be deemed excessive.
shooting him while he is still a threat and attacking is not excessive.
FWIW, I carry a gun so I don't have to throw a punch. I am MUCH less likely to get into a physical altercation because I do carry. The result of a physical altercation while I am carrying is VERY likely to end up with someone shot.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:30 pm to Chad504boy
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So you want to shoot a guy after you threw the first punch or two. That's fricking brilliant.
Throwing the first punch is irrelevant. This guy shot first. Once the dead man starting making it physical the other man had every right to defend himself.
I feel a lot of guys in here don't understand the magnitude of taking a human life. What this guy did will haunt him forever as it would you or me. I'd even be willing to bet if this guy had a second chance to handle it differently he would....jmho
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:30 pm to SaturdayTraditions
Well then, maybe you COULD defend yourself with a rock. I'll take my chances that the bad guy didn't pitch AAA though.
Look, I know y'all take this shite seriously. To say that a gun with a full clip and empty chamber is equivalent to a rock/hammer/brick/whatever is completely asinine. One requires one action to convert it into a loaded gun. The other is a rock. Quit over dramatizing this shite.
Look, I know y'all take this shite seriously. To say that a gun with a full clip and empty chamber is equivalent to a rock/hammer/brick/whatever is completely asinine. One requires one action to convert it into a loaded gun. The other is a rock. Quit over dramatizing this shite.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:31 pm to PT24-7
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Throwing the first punch is irrelevant.
is my trolling detector broken?
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:33 pm to Bleeding purple
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so once he has fallen and is no longer a threat from the ground you are going to continue to throw punches.
Falling down is not the same thing as no longer being a threat. Being unconscious is no longer being a threat. People can fall down and not be unconscious.
I guess we look at things different. I know it sounds great to "carry a gun so I don't have to throw a punch" but if you kill someone it will change your life forever.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:36 pm to Chad504boy
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is my trolling detector broken?
No I just don't think you're very smart.
If you can shoot someone for shoving you and backing you into a corner then you can def punch them and claim self defense as well. Once he is the aggressor you can defend your life by whatever means necessary. If you have to punch, shoot, or knife its all self defense.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:36 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Ya'll are right, a pistol not chambered is potentially more effective than a rock, and potentially more effective than leaving it in the truck. Sorry for my dramatization earlier...thats all it was. 
BUT, when i envision myself in this scenario, my number 1 reason for carrying would be to defend myself against perps who are also carrying, visibly. Perhaps thats not the only scenario thats a threat, but it's fairly common, and it puts you in the most danger.
Drawing your unchambered weapon against a guy with a chambered weapon puts you at a big disadvantage. MAYBE even worse than if you had, say a....rock.
If the guy only has a knife or his fists, i can maybe see myself being able to rack the slide with enough time to stop the situation...so thats a completely different scenario.
BUT, when i envision myself in this scenario, my number 1 reason for carrying would be to defend myself against perps who are also carrying, visibly. Perhaps thats not the only scenario thats a threat, but it's fairly common, and it puts you in the most danger.
Drawing your unchambered weapon against a guy with a chambered weapon puts you at a big disadvantage. MAYBE even worse than if you had, say a....rock.
If the guy only has a knife or his fists, i can maybe see myself being able to rack the slide with enough time to stop the situation...so thats a completely different scenario.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:37 pm to SportTiger1
I'm not going to read the whole thread, but has anyone made a masturbation joke yet?
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:37 pm to PT24-7
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What do you do with your carry gun at the end of the day? When you go to the courthouse? When you work out? When you go straight from work to your kids game? When you shower? Im curious how yall carry in all these situations
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:38 pm to PT24-7
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No I just don't think you're very smart.
If you can shoot someone for shoving you and backing you into a corner then you can def punch them and claim self defense as well. Once he is the aggressor you can defend your life by whatever means necessary. If you have to punch, shoot, or knife its all self defense.
good luck with your reasonings. and just cause this thread is awesome, i what point were you throwing your splendid righty in that video? when you were already backed up into the wall of bottles or before?
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:39 pm to PT24-7
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What do you do with your carry gun at the end of the day? When you go to the courthouse? When you work out? When you go straight from work to your kids game? When you shower? Im curious how yall carry in all these situations
End of day- I keep the weapon on me around the house. When I am ready for bed it goes into a bedside safe.
Courthouse- Weapon is removed from my body while remaining inside its holster (IWB holster), and locked in my vehicle with the round still in the chamber.
Work out- Same as courthouse if in an area with a no-gun policy. Inside gym bag in same condition, either locked in a locker or gym bag within my reach at all times.
Kids games- See courthouse, unless at a non-gun free zone.
Shower- See end of day, bedtime.
Nobody carries at all times, but I have firearm safety in mind when I do not have the gun on me. I have never left it loaded, unhidden, and unattended in an unlocked area.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:40 pm to Jester
One of the things I love about my PX4 Storm is the decocker. Basically, you can have one in the chamber with the safety on. When you draw, all you have to do is take off the safety and you can double-action the first round.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:44 pm to Chad504boy
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good luck with your reasonings. and just cause this thread is awesome, i what point were you throwing your splendid righty in that video? when you were already backed up into the wall of bottles or before?
I was raised to throw with everything ive got the second someone makes it physical. I've modified that with my kids to the second you realize the fight is un avoidable (seen to many videos of sucker punches online).
I know it might sound crazy to yall who are constantly looking for an excuse to pull on someone, but I don't think I'd ever consider pulling in that entire video. This is assuming I'm not open carrying.
Once again, I'm not judging the guy who did. He clearly felt his life in danger and acted to protect it.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:48 pm to PT24-7
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someone makes it physical
i don't understand what this means. like someone chests bumps you, finger bumps, hands on your shoulder?
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:50 pm to PT24-7
I honestly am so confused by your twisting arguments that I am not sure what you are talking about any more.
I think we all understand the magnitude of taking a life.
Carrying with one in the chamber as opposed to an empty chamber has no baring on the above point.
Firearm safety in non-carry situations does not have any baring on either of the two points above.
However, we would all rather have to live with the repercussions than die for the lack thereof.
We are all responsible for de-escalation, rather than escalation.
Spiritual fitness is just as key physical fitness.
I think we all understand the magnitude of taking a life.
Carrying with one in the chamber as opposed to an empty chamber has no baring on the above point.
Firearm safety in non-carry situations does not have any baring on either of the two points above.
However, we would all rather have to live with the repercussions than die for the lack thereof.
We are all responsible for de-escalation, rather than escalation.
Spiritual fitness is just as key physical fitness.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:51 pm to Chad504boy
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i don't understand what this means. like someone chests bumps you, finger bumps, hands on your shoulder?
When this guy grabs/shoves me he gets it. Hope that helps
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:52 pm to PT24-7
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What do you do with your carry gun at the end of the day?
take gun out of holster, drop mag, cycle slide to empty chamber, repeat slide motion 3-4 times, look in chamber and feel in chamber to assure empty. Set pistol on shelf in closet along with magazine and the extra cartridge that will not fit in mag. remove holster.
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When you go to the courthouse?
if going inside of a location where firearms are not allowed I have a lock box in the truck, the entire firearm and holster goes in the lock box in the same condition that I am carrying it.
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When you work out?
in my gym bag within my sight inside the holster in condition 1
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When you go straight from work to your kids game?
I carry it condition 1 concealed
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When you shower?
same as question # 1 or #3 depending on where I am showering
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:53 pm to PT24-7
on a side note is your 24-7 in the recall list?
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