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re: Disturbing Wildlife
Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:51 pm to Boudreaux35
Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:51 pm to Boudreaux35
quote:you can’t be serious
Boudreaux35
Posted on 3/18/24 at 5:23 pm to Che Boludo
quote:yeah, or also how they like to do, as in the case of the federal warden who's in my camp and who is planning on ticketing folks with ebikes when there's no clear distinction that has been made on the USFS rules, nor the wma portions of national forests: write tickets first, ask questions later. Best I can figure as to why they do this is because so many just plead guilty to whatever the charge is, fines are levied, and that's that.
Of course not, they want you to find it for yourself buried deep on their web page.
quote:where we all mess up is thinking the government, especially the federal government, gives a turd's worth of shite about any logical appeals of injustice, or logic at all. I just had a logging permit pulled at the last minute from a bureaucrat who works from her spare bedroom in her pajamas 200 miles away from the parcel because she feels the roads are too wet. Regardless of what a professional in surveying and engineering has told her, a registered forester, and a 40 year logging veteran, she insists they gave us 6 months on the permit so my timber buyer/cutter could work when weather permitted. This federal bureaucrat really thinks logging operations can afford to jollydick around and up and move operations on a whim, and no amount of logic or fact can convince her otherwise.
I've learned more about snakes from you guys than anything the government has ever taught me.
They don't care that the OP is raising awareness about snakes and the good they do, even when they badly need that representation, they care that their perceived ego has been stepped on, lump in this incident with other egregious violations that the law was probably (maybe) made for, and the rest is history.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 7:00 pm to mudshuvl05
If they don't do something about the gators around here its only a matter of time til something bad happens.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 7:48 pm to TigrrrDad
Hate to hear you got caught up in some silly crap like this. That as bad as the local state forest crap...as in do not get caught even carrying out a small pine knot.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 8:02 pm to TigrrrDad
Why do you need to pick it up? I ask that not to be a dickhead, but genuinely curious why you gotta handle wildlife.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:01 pm to PutTheWomacOnEm01
Filmed an educational video that helps people understand how to identify the species, its habits, relative safety, etc. So the next time someone sees that species, maybe it rightfully doesn’t lose its head to a shovel.
On my own land or a WMA, I’m catching & releasing them for the fun of it. At the park I don’t even bring my latex pinner because we’re not actively “snake hunting” - it’s too easy there, so no sport in it.
On my own land or a WMA, I’m catching & releasing them for the fun of it. At the park I don’t even bring my latex pinner because we’re not actively “snake hunting” - it’s too easy there, so no sport in it.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 7:21 am to TigrrrDad
quote:
Filmed an educational video that helps people understand how to identify the species, its habits, relative safety, etc. So the next time someone sees that species, maybe it rightfully doesn’t lose its head to a shovel.
Did you get video of yourself getting a ticket?
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:17 am to TigrrrDad
When Bayou Sauvage first became an NWR - one of my friends got a ticket and a pretty fine for the a similar incident.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:32 am to Ron Cheramie
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Did you get video of yourself getting a ticket?
No. And no one even witnessed us with the snake. Apparently one of the 2 other groups of people in the park reported us for carrying snake hooks. When we were walking back the park ranger was walking toward us and struck up a “friendly” conversation asking what we were looking for, how do you use the tools, did you catch anything, etc.
I was 100% honest and told him exactly what we were doing, because I’m an honest person and saw nothing wrong with what we were doing. I think he thought he was being clever and tricking me . He then said, “I’m going to have to treat this as a law enforcement issue.” We were still about a half mile from the car, and he says, “Without reaching for anything, do you have any weapons - because I saw the pistol in your vehicle.”
Then he asks if there were any snakes in the ice chest in the vehicle. I responded that there were drinks and ice in the ice chest. (Because, well…it’s an ice chest.) Then, despite, my complete honesty with him, he says, “What did you throw over the railing when I approached? I saw you make a throwing motion.” I told him I threw nothing (because I threw nothing). If I were going to be throwing stuff over the railing, why would I tell him exactly what we were doing and that we handled and released a snake when no one witnessed it?
When I told him we didn’t see any signs posted aside from “don’t feed the gators,” he said ,”We can’t post a sign for every single thing you can’t do.” Told him I’ve walked by rangers/park workers with a snake hook in hand or talked to other ones about what snakes I’ve caught for nearly 40 years there, and he just said “Then they were wrong.”
Then when we’re walking back to the vehicle, the autistic young man with me is walking about 15 ft. behind so he says, “ He needs to keep pace with us or I’ll have to call Jefferson police to assist.”
Then we had to put our hooks in his truck, then sit on the curb while he retrieved the pistol and locked it in his truck, then he searched the vehicle - I guess trying to find all those snakes we were suffocating in the ice chest.
If I had copped an attitude with him from the start, I could understand. But I was 100% honest about our activity that was witnessed by no one. His actions thereafter were downright comical.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:37 am to TigrrrDad
…btw I’ve already paid the fine. If we broke a rule, we broke a rule. Lesson learned.
Just don’t be such a dick about it and act like you just copped someone off the FBI’s most wanted list when they’re being 100% cooperative and truthful about unwitnessed activity.
Learn to read the room, Paul Blart.
Just don’t be such a dick about it and act like you just copped someone off the FBI’s most wanted list when they’re being 100% cooperative and truthful about unwitnessed activity.
Learn to read the room, Paul Blart.
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 9:41 am
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:55 am to TigrrrDad
Agree with this. Attitude and tact go a long way.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:17 am to TigrrrDad
quote:
No. And no one even witnessed us with the snake. Apparently one of the 2 other groups of people in the park reported us for carrying snake hooks. When we were walking back the park ranger was walking toward us and struck up a “friendly” conversation asking what we were looking for, how do you use the tools, did you catch anything, etc.
I was 100% honest and told him exactly what we were doing, because I’m an honest person and saw nothing wrong with what we were doing. I think he thought he was being clever and tricking me . He then said, “I’m going to have to treat this as a law enforcement issue.” We were still about a half mile from the car, and he says, “Without reaching for anything, do you have any weapons - because I saw the pistol in your vehicle.”
Then he asks if there were any snakes in the ice chest in the vehicle. I responded that there were drinks and ice in the ice chest. (Because, well…it’s an ice chest.) Then, despite, my complete honesty with him, he says, “What did you throw over the railing when I approached? I saw you make a throwing motion.” I told him I threw nothing (because I threw nothing). If I were going to be throwing stuff over the railing, why would I tell him exactly what we were doing and that we handled and released a snake when no one witnessed it?
When I told him we didn’t see any signs posted aside from “don’t feed the gators,” he said ,”We can’t post a sign for every single thing you can’t do.” Told him I’ve walked by rangers/park workers with a snake hook in hand or talked to other ones about what snakes I’ve caught for nearly 40 years there, and he just said “Then they were wrong.”
Then when we’re walking back to the vehicle, the autistic young man with me is walking about 15 ft. behind so he says, “ He needs to keep pace with us or I’ll have to call Jefferson police to assist.”
Then we had to put our hooks in his truck, then sit on the curb while he retrieved the pistol and locked it in his truck, then he searched the vehicle - I guess trying to find all those snakes we were suffocating in the ice chest.
If I had copped an attitude with him from the start, I could understand. But I was 100% honest about our activity that was witnessed by no one. His actions thereafter were downright comical.
What a giant douche. I had a bad experience with a rude bitch that was working at the bike rental/gift shop in Shark Valley in December.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:20 am to TigrrrDad
What a joke. Fkn short dick gov hands, problem is the country is full of them.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:49 am to TigrrrDad
damn, all that is pretty shitty. Guess that goes with the saying of "don't talk to the cops".
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:58 am to TigrrrDad
Those guys there are dicks. Pulled my friend over on his way to work after school because he "swerved over the center line" pre cell, but had beepers. They asked if they could search his car and he was like sure because he didn't have anything illegal and didn't do anything illegal. They then took his seats out dash off and other things and left him on side the road like that. We all learned a lesson about saying no to a search !
They are also know for pulling people over for doing like 3mph over the speed limit. That includes barataria through the park. The new road ( Laffite Larose hwy) they like to sit right when you go over the levee. If you don't go over the bridge and go down barataria Rd along the bayou there also.
Only green jeans we ever liked was on that retired around 2000 and wouldn't give you a ticket for a fish being 1/16 of an inch to short lol. If you were honest he was cool and let little things go. It was just don't do something real stupid or he would have to write a ticket.
They are also know for pulling people over for doing like 3mph over the speed limit. That includes barataria through the park. The new road ( Laffite Larose hwy) they like to sit right when you go over the levee. If you don't go over the bridge and go down barataria Rd along the bayou there also.
Only green jeans we ever liked was on that retired around 2000 and wouldn't give you a ticket for a fish being 1/16 of an inch to short lol. If you were honest he was cool and let little things go. It was just don't do something real stupid or he would have to write a ticket.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 12:48 pm to TigrrrDad
If it’s federal, remember who the president is.
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 3/19/24 at 3:16 pm to TigrrrDad
quote:
Apparently one of the 2 other groups of people in the park reported us for carrying snake hooks.
were they wearing masks?
Posted on 3/19/24 at 3:19 pm to TigrrrDad
quote:snake hooks?
carrying snake hooks.
You mean these little walking sticks of mine, officer? No snake hooks here.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 4:33 pm to TigrrrDad
Jeez what a turd. Someone acting like that leads a miserable life. I'd sleep well knowing that
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