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re: Complete Backyard Makeover - Zoysia or St. Augustine
Posted on 7/23/17 at 5:30 pm to Tiger-Striped-Bass
Posted on 7/23/17 at 5:30 pm to Tiger-Striped-Bass
I honestly don't know how you could like the appearance of St Aug over Zoysia? IMO Zoysia looks much better, I much prefer the feel of it walking across or whatever additionally. I much prefer how much thicker it is, it being shorter, and it being much softer and much smaller blades.
A lot of it depends on how short of grass you want also? St Aug much prefers to be long, basically the longest grass especially in the summer. The issues above with Zoysia are true but I've found its also much easier to maintain and cut when longer additionally.
I have zoysia in my front and I cut it at the 3rd setting and I cut St Aug in my back on the 5th setting of my mower. That has worked great and they are both much easier to maintain cutting long. They are thicker, healthy, more drought resistant, and very easy to maintain with just a weekly cutting. If I get a lot of rain my zoysia can be cut too short after a week and be a little yellow but it recovers in 2-3 days.
If you have low light or shade then St Aug is better. St Aug will definitely spread from plugs very well.
A lot of it depends on how short of grass you want also? St Aug much prefers to be long, basically the longest grass especially in the summer. The issues above with Zoysia are true but I've found its also much easier to maintain and cut when longer additionally.
I have zoysia in my front and I cut it at the 3rd setting and I cut St Aug in my back on the 5th setting of my mower. That has worked great and they are both much easier to maintain cutting long. They are thicker, healthy, more drought resistant, and very easy to maintain with just a weekly cutting. If I get a lot of rain my zoysia can be cut too short after a week and be a little yellow but it recovers in 2-3 days.
If you have low light or shade then St Aug is better. St Aug will definitely spread from plugs very well.
This post was edited on 7/23/17 at 5:32 pm
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Posted on 7/23/17 at 6:48 pm to jimbeam
I have centipede in my front yard and it looks pretty good. If I start from scratch though (and spend that type of money), I want something that I really like. Something that will get a darker green. This is about as dark as I can get my centipede. It was a few weeks after I hit it with milorganite.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 9:23 pm to Yaboylaroy
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I work 7 on 7 off in the Gulf.
Jody knows
Posted on 7/23/17 at 9:38 pm to Yaboylaroy
Damn that looks good man. Edge your beds better though 
Posted on 7/23/17 at 9:46 pm to Yaboylaroy
That's my only complaint as well....I have Centipede at home, and green apple is about the only color you can get. Compare that to the bermuda I grow at work, and it's a different ballgame. Got too much shade at home though.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 9:47 pm to Yaboylaroy
Your centipede looks really thick. Mine is like that in areas but other soots are really thin. Are you doing anything special?
Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:55 am to Yaboylaroy
. I agree that zoysia can be nice but it requires a lot of work. If you use a granular fungicide in the spring and fall with St Aug with proper feet, insecticide etc you will be good. You may need to spray a liquid fungicide after a lot of rainfall/tropical event but still lower maintenance than zoysia. Zoysia and Bermuda love to creep into your landscape beds so keep that in mind too.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 8:23 am to tigerlife36
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Are you doing anything special?
Started cutting it higher. Probably around 2 1/2 inches. I kept hearing about milorganite on r/lawncare so I tried it. I find my grass has filled in and grows at a faster rate compared to my neighbor.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 8:25 am to MNCscripper
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Jody knows
Quit playin
Posted on 7/24/17 at 8:57 am to baldona
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I honestly don't know how could like the appearance of St Aug over Zoysia?
I think you misunderstood me. I actually agree with you 100%. That's why I said
quote:What I essentially said, is that if you don't fertilize, water, dethatch, and overall spend a lot of time and expense on zoysia, you're better off with st aug. A st aug lawn without care will probably look better than a zoysia lawn with no care. Emerald zoysia like I have, would probably thatch itself out of existence if I let it.
In my opinion, no st aug can match zoysia at its peak appearance
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 9:20 am
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:32 pm to Daponch
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I own a landscape construction company
What do you think about my plan to kill, rake, till and level? Any suggestions?
Posted on 7/24/17 at 2:04 pm to Tiger-Striped-Bass
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I think you misunderstood me. I actually agree with you 100%. That's why I said
Sorry I replied to your post but my reply wasn't to you specifically.
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Emerald zoysia like I have, would probably thatch itself out of existence if I let it.
I have zenith zoysia and my neighbors have emerald, they literally touch along our border and I can't tell the difference. His lawn guy cuts his too short but uses a regular mower, not a reel mower. Mine looks much better because I cut it longer, but there's a bunch of people in my neighborhood with Zoysia and I haven't seen anyone use a reel mower. IMO its all about the length, if you cut it real short a reel mower would probably be much better. But it looks great a little long cut with a regular mower that you can bag. If you just want to mulch, yeah I'm not sure then.
I really think the number one issue most people have outside of a pest, is mowing too short.
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 4:09 pm to Yaboylaroy
Sounds like a good plan. We usually use mason sand for a finish grade. It doesn't have weed seeds and allows for some drainage. The sod usually has a native clay base so the sand helps.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 4:23 pm to Daponch
How deep is the finish grade? A few inches on top of soil?
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:02 pm to baldona
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have zenith zoysia and my neighbors have emerald, they literally touch along our border and I can't tell the difference.
Are you sure they don't have empire? Empire and zenith are very similar as I previously mentioned. Emerald, however, the blades are as narrow as Bermuda, like toothpicks, and vastly different from zenith. No way you couldn't tell zenith or empire from emerald
ETA: again, I have 30 pallets of emerald around my house, and zenith from seed on the other side of my driveway. No way I could have did it all in sod, and I figured by doing zenith seed, I'd at least have similar color. I do have about 5' of emerald along the driveway on the other side with the zenith up against it for the rest. The emerald blades are 1/3-1/2 the width of the zenith. The emerald is very stiff and wiry and gets ridiculously dense without dethatching. Just look it up. I'd bet your neighbor has empire if they're that similar.
Check out comparison. Neither look good in this example, but you can see the difference.
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This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:06 pm to Yaboylaroy
We usually keep the sand no deeper than an inch or so.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:02 am to Yaboylaroy
I have a two pear trees that I absolutely hate. The fruit drops everywhere and there are thousands of them that I have to pick up each season. The pears don't even taste good. I plan on getting rid of them and replacing them with pecan trees. Good luck!
Posted on 7/25/17 at 6:12 am to Yaboylaroy
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I work 7 on 7 off in the Gulf
Jody will take care of it while you're out...
JK. I like st aug
Posted on 7/25/17 at 8:08 am to Tiger-Striped-Bass
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Are you sure they don't have empire
Ha, you are probably right. It starts with an E and was like $50 more than mine per pallet. But looks the exact same.
De-thatching is only an issue if you mulch your grass. The average 1/4-1/2 acre suburban lot isn't that hard to bag, I bag 6-8 times and all I do is dump it in a compost pile in the back corner no one sees. Now if you had to dump it in trash bags that's certainly a pain. If you are hell bent on not bagging though, then yes St Aug would probably be better.
Imo the nice thing about Zhoysia and Bermuda is the ability to seed. If you get holes, it can be a pita to fill with St Aug to keep it level. You have to really dig down and screw around to keep that hole level with the rest of your yard. Now given in the peak growing season St Aug spreads on its own real well but so does Zhoysia.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 8:11 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 8:19 am to baldona
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De-thatching is only an issue if you mulch your grass
I was under the impression that it has nothing to do with mulching. I thought it had to do with over-watering your lawn.
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