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Buying land with CRP income

Posted on 3/19/16 at 2:58 pm
Posted by BullredsRus
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
754 posts
Posted on 3/19/16 at 2:58 pm
Looking for info from anyone who is familiar with this program. I'm looking at buying a small tract that gets CRP income through year 2019. Once land is in the program, is it generally renewed after the lease is up assuming owner wants to keep it in it. Is there anything specific I should know about the program BF buying land, good or bad? I am very early in the process of looking at this property and will get with real estate agent on these issues but figured someone on here may have some insight on it. TIA
Posted by LSUCouyon
ONTHELAKEATDELHI, La.
Member since Oct 2006
11329 posts
Posted on 3/19/16 at 3:46 pm to
CRP is a good program and there is a chance it will renew in 2019, but no guarantee. Depending on what area you are in CRP can be the best habitat to hunt deer in. Where I hunt, there are way more deer per acre on 400 acres of CRP than the timbered area. That area renewed last year at twice the rate, from $26K to over $50K.
Posted by mack the knife
EBR
Member since Oct 2012
4185 posts
Posted on 3/19/16 at 4:26 pm to
the seller should have to disclose that info at time of purchase agreement. is the property listed with a real estate agent?
Posted by BullredsRus
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
754 posts
Posted on 3/19/16 at 5:03 pm to
Yes it is with agent. I just saw it online. If we get tithe point where we go see it I'm sure I'll get more info on all that. I just know the first contract ends in three years. He did tell me that the contract was at $60 an acre, and now it's at $140 an acre. This is in Tensas Parish btw.
Posted by mack the knife
EBR
Member since Oct 2012
4185 posts
Posted on 3/19/16 at 5:17 pm to
tensas had some kinda "change" happened with regards to the CRP program. i'm not real sure of the specifics, but I have family up there bordering the WMA. I was told that there is some sort of moratorium on additional land being entered into either this program or the wetlands program.
again, make sure the selling party and/or agent discloses this any info you need. even if you don't get the specifics the parish agent should be able to give you the specifics of what is really happening.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13898 posts
Posted on 3/19/16 at 6:18 pm to
Holler at me if you buy it, we'll be neighbors. I think I know what you're looking at. we own some crp and yes it renewed for much more than when we put it in in 99 or so. But, those renewal prices are based on average parish cash rent rates which are facing a down turn IMO. That's how I understand it anyways.
Posted by LSUCouyon
ONTHELAKEATDELHI, La.
Member since Oct 2006
11329 posts
Posted on 3/19/16 at 7:33 pm to
I don't think rental rates are based on farm rents. the rates vary by parishes soil types etc. for years they were way below what farm rents were going for. It is true that rates have gone up significantly , but not as high as farm rates.
Now, farm rates will bedropping due to commodity prices. I only.this year is liable to be a terrible time for farmers but the CRP rates will continue. At least until we get so far in debt the powers that be stop borrowing for these programs.
Tensas and Madison CRP is an excellent investment. Hunting property continues to appreciate. I reserve judgement on farm prices until softer this year. It could be brutal,
Posted by jimjackandjose
Member since Jun 2011
6496 posts
Posted on 3/19/16 at 7:36 pm to
I have been looking to buy land also with intent of crp income.

If you found a place to big and are interested in buying a bigger plot then splitting after purchase, I would be interested in going in halfs.

I've found a few pieces but not ready to pull trigger
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6217 posts
Posted on 3/19/16 at 10:00 pm to
Bull - Some good counsel already in this thread. If this is your first CRP purchase then I would suggest finding a banker that deals in these.

Since the property is in Tensas, I would get on the phone with Louisiana Land Bank Monday morning - good people, knowledgable about the type of transaction you are looking at and they have the right connections (appraisal, attorney, etc.).

Many folks that do CRP and mitigation bank transactions use them.

Good luck!!

Posted by LSUCouyon
ONTHELAKEATDELHI, La.
Member since Oct 2006
11329 posts
Posted on 3/19/16 at 10:27 pm to
Ditto La Land bank. Also First South a Farm Credit, Progressive Bank and several of the Winnsboro a Banks are competing aggressively for loans. CRP with good income AND hunting are attractive to those area banks
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20458 posts
Posted on 3/20/16 at 7:37 am to
Would the CRP contract not be priced in to the sales price? Seems like it would be. If you are looking for any sort of investment from CRP seems like the best thing would be to find land without a current contract, buy it, and get a contract? I know that's probably easier said than done but still.

What kind of price per acre are you guys looking at? CRP is just paid by the acres in actual CRP right? So say you buy 100 acres, but only 20 may be in CRP and that's all you are paid for?

If you are looking for some income off of land, it just seems like you could find a better investment than CRP: lease for cattle, agriculture, a house on the front acre to rent, etc. But I'd like to certainly find out myself what kind of return the CRP gives you? I guess if you get $60/ acre and you buy it for $1200/ acre that's 5% and not bad if you can hunt it and enjoy it.
This post was edited on 3/20/16 at 7:39 am
Posted by LSUCouyon
ONTHELAKEATDELHI, La.
Member since Oct 2006
11329 posts
Posted on 3/20/16 at 8:19 am to
Several things:
When it comes to hunting land, quality of said hunting and location
Are figured into what someone will pay. Value of CRP payments are not always a factor in buying such a tract. I can show you WRP
(Wetland ) tracts that have absolutely NO income that go for $3000 plus per acre.
As to buying a tract to put into CRP, there are signup periods and you have to own it a year before applying. Some tracts have been sold where the Seller applied for CRP, before the sale and Buyer took over the contract.
Prices vary in CRP and WRP, again depending on hunting and location . A tract in Jackson Parish will bring nowhere near what Tensas, Madison, East Carroll would bring.
Not picking on Jackson, just saying.
Good luck finding anything for $1200 or anything with 5% ROI.
Posted by dpark
Northeast LA
Member since Feb 2011
941 posts
Posted on 3/20/16 at 8:37 am to
I second LLB in Tallulah. They are the land experts in the area IMO. They pay out a rebate yearly so makes them more competitive than a commercial bank.
This post was edited on 3/20/16 at 8:41 am
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4587 posts
Posted on 3/20/16 at 9:07 am to
How many acres y'all looking at? We're in Tensas Parish as well.
Posted by jimjackandjose
Member since Jun 2011
6496 posts
Posted on 3/20/16 at 10:19 am to
I've been looking for between 100-200 acres if anyone has a lead on any
Posted by Suregrow
Member since Jul 2015
18 posts
Posted on 3/20/16 at 10:28 am to
Not meaning to hijack the thread but I have 229 acres for sale in Alabama that has $100 an acre income that goes with it.

Here is a link to the listing. I'm the owner not the agent.

LINK /
Posted by BullredsRus
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
754 posts
Posted on 3/21/16 at 7:20 pm to
Sorry I've been MIA, and thank everyone for all the good info. Sounds like I'll be calling Louisisna Land Bank soon. I'm looking at a tract of 77 acres. There's also a 25 acre tract that has 25 acres next to it available for lease. I know these are smaller than most people would look at to hunt.

Basically I'm looking at a very small tract to hunt between my dad and I. I'm sure my son would join us when he gets older. I'm hoping we would use it to get away from the city and camp out or ride atvs, shoot skeet, etc. It's not as much land as I'd like but my wife won't sign off on a whole lot more. I'm told the neighbors on two sides manage for trophy deer. This is by a real estate agent with skin in the game though, so I am apprehensive to believe everything I read there.

I'm not dead set on it by any means but I just thought it was interesting that I could buy recreational land to hunt and actually get money back. Seems like a win-win. Also from everything I've read the CRP will actually improve the hunting.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20458 posts
Posted on 3/21/16 at 9:56 pm to
I'd love to learn as much as possible about CRP and turning some hunting type land into something that you can potentially break even on.

I was mostly kidding on the $1200/acre and 5% ROI I know those are both dreams. But what kind of 'income' is realistic for someone that works and tries hard but is not the actual farmer? I suppose of the income could simply pay your interest, taxes, and insurance then if you needed a loan it would be like banking your money?
Posted by tacotiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2007
991 posts
Posted on 3/22/16 at 8:25 am to
also ditto on land bank. I don't have but 17 acres of trees I planted on open land, 12 acres in the WHIP program and 5 in CRP. Went with WHIP on the first 12 because there was no restriction on how long you owned the land. But on 17 acres total my annual payment is under $300, for the total acreage. So not necessarily a get rich quick scheme
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