- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Amendment 40 Red Snapper Discussion
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:41 pm to JasonL79
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:41 pm to JasonL79
I'm not saying you aren't making your own, but you have to be thinking about that angle. I mean if it wasn't for your parents assisting to the collapse of the snapper, redfish, and triggerfish you wouldn't be where you are today, amirite?
But they no longer do it, did that stop because they bought themselves out of a job? Or did they see writing on wall and sell out for big payment?
But they no longer do it, did that stop because they bought themselves out of a job? Or did they see writing on wall and sell out for big payment?
2
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:35 pm to Capt ST
(no message)
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:56 pm to Capt ST
quote:
. I mean if it wasn't for your parents assisting to the collapse of the snapper, redfish, and triggerfish you wouldn't be where you are today, amirite?
Snapper, redfish, and triggerfish have never been on the brink of collapse.
Redfish was definitely overfished but never on the brink of collapse. I don't care want anyone says on here or reads. At the time of the ban, we had a lot of biologists who's opinion was otherwise. Some of LSU's top biologist at the time who said this. We never had a shortage of redfish coming in at the docks and it never slowed down. Yes they were overfished and needed to be regulated but collapse is a very dramatic term. I caught just as many redfish in the 80/90's out of venice as I do now. In fact, it used to be easier to catch reds in my opinion 10-15+ years ago. Some of that may have to do with decreased habitat with coastal erosion though.
Same with Red Snapper. There was never a shortage at the docks. Obviously since they restricted it they have populated even more but I've also read that it has a lot to do with the increased habitat off of Alabama and the rigs in the gulf too.
As far as triggerfish, I'm not sure where you are pulling that one. There was never a big commercial fishery for triggerfish. Not in relation to the other gulf fish. Some articles I've read have been blaming the triggerfish population on the high red snapper populations.
quote:
But they no longer do it, did that stop because they bought themselves out of a job?
Not the case. There was always fish. They stopped because of a few reasons. Regulations being the biggest and imports being another. When gulf fish was restricted, imports moved in to take their place. Tuna imports came from around the world and we couldn't compete with small countries sending in the same tuna at whatever price they needed. Labor and what they had to pay the boats were nothing over there compared to here.
quote:
Or did they see writing on wall and sell out for big payment?
You have a very skewed perception of the seafood business. I don't know of anyone who got rich selling fish. Most of them went out of business in fact because it got hard to turn a profit. All we did was make a descent living. The only people that got semi rich in the industry was the shrimp factories and a lot of them went out of business because of cheap shrimp import competition.
It seems like you blame your going out of business on the commercials. There seems to be more guides today than there ever was. So it due to you not being up to par with your competition or are you just making excuses? Fisheries is more regulated than ever now and fish are just as plentiful as they have been in the last 30+ years. Seems like a lot of guides are doing well now.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:49 pm to JasonL79
quote:
So it due to you not being up to par with your competition or are you just making excuses?
I only did it part time, but I stayed booked, but I felt sorry for the guys that had no options. I had a lot more options than most.
quote:
Tuna imports came from around the world and we couldn't compete
Hmmmm?
quote:
I caught just as many redfish in the 80/90's out of venice as I do now. In fact, it used to be easier to catch reds in my opinion 10-15+ years ago.
Still using a gill net then? Because after 83 freeze you were the exception not the rule. Snapper? ST 63 couldn't buy a snapper in late 80s early 90s, last few years, I could make 2 trips a day and load up on 10lb+ Snapper. Last year I was watching rangers go down fourchon beach and catching 20" snapper at rigs I catch specks at, but I'm supposed to be cool with handing over this windfall that only came from Katrina wiping out the shrimping industry? I get you protecting your self interest, but when you come here and say you're okay with less than 600 individuals controlling 76% of the snapper from. Key west to Corpus Christi, you're just wrong.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 10:17 pm to Capt ST
quote:
I get you protecting your self interest, but when you come here and say you're okay with less than 600 individuals controlling 76% of the snapper from. Key west to Corpus Christi, you're just wrong.
Agree 100%
Posted on 8/29/14 at 10:49 pm to JasonL79
I was until the commercial guys ran me out of business with their greed. Show me one fishery that was commercially harvested over the years that they haven't fished to collapse?
Correct, and it still has not recovered in the East Coast. Because they have the same screwed up council system we have now. No fish population has been overfished past SPR by just hook and line fisherman.
Always involve nets. Before you say red snapper, most of mortality is in shrimp net. Bluefin are harpooned and netted outside of US
Correct, and it still has not recovered in the East Coast. Because they have the same screwed up council system we have now. No fish population has been overfished past SPR by just hook and line fisherman.
Always involve nets. Before you say red snapper, most of mortality is in shrimp net. Bluefin are harpooned and netted outside of US
Posted on 8/29/14 at 11:13 pm to TutHillTiger
quote:
most of mortality is in shrimp net.
So ban shrimp trawls?
Posted on 8/30/14 at 8:23 am to Capt ST
quote:
ST 63 couldn't buy a snapper in late 80s early 90s, last few years,
I was able to catch snapper in those years but they weren't as plentiful or big on average.
quote:
but I'm supposed to be cool with handing over this windfall that only came from Katrina wiping out the shrimping industry?
What does this mean?
quote:
I get you protecting your self interest,
What self interest do I have now? I've been out of the gulf fish business for 10+ years and I don't ever plan on going back into it. I also don't have any family still in it.
I only recreational fish now. Therefore I am a recreational fisherman now. I recreational fish just about every weekend in Venice and I want to continue to catch fish when I go. I too would like to see the recreational season extended for red snapper.
quote:
but when you come here and say you're okay with less than 600 individuals controlling 76% of the snapper from. Key west to Corpus Christi, you're just wrong.
Show me where I said this. Actually I said the opposite. I said the quota should increase and then be shared equally between all three groups. But we need a better method of estimating catch. I have red snapper fished for a few years now (since moving back after Katrina) and have only been called once and that was by the state. How can this be accurate?
Posted on 8/30/14 at 10:19 am to JasonL79
quote:
But we need a better method of estimating catch. I have red snapper fished for a few years now (since moving back after Katrina) and have only been called once and that was by the state. How can this be accurate?
The feds randomly digit dial people in the coastal parishes of Louisiana .
I think this is part of the downfall...they don't use a saltwater angler license frame like most states have.
Their sampling universe is much larger than ours for the private rec. side
Posted on 8/30/14 at 10:42 am to JasonL79
quote:
It's the same exact thing. Buffalo hunters weren't commercial fisherman. It's human nature.
No, no it's not! Buffalo were easy for ANYONE to kill. They would basically just stand there like cattle, especially if the leader was killed. Snapper, not so much. It's takes a lot of time, money, and luck with weather to even be able to go offshore.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 2:24 pm to GeeOH
Just got this update via email. No link although I'm sure it can be found on the Council website. Kicking the can down the road...
quote:
Red Snapper Sector Separation - Reef Fish Amendment 40
Reef Fish Amendment 40 considers dividing the recreational red snapper sector into two distinct components - a private angling component and a for-hire component.
During the August meeting, the Council reviewed recommendations made by its Red Snapper Advisory Panel, which met in June. Staff also presented public hearing and public comment summaries, along with a revised Sector Separation document for Council discussion. The Council had a lengthy discussion about Action 2 - Allocation of the Recreational Red Snapper Quota between the Components of the Recreational Sector, and decided to change its preferred alternative to Alternative 7, which would allocate the recreational red snapper quota based on 50% of the average percentages landed by each component between 1986 and 2013 (2010 excluded) and 50% of the average percentages landed by each component between 2006 and 2013 (2010 excluded). Preferred Alternative 7 would result in a federal for-hire allocation of 44% and a private angling allocation of 56%.
The Council is expected to take final action on Amendment 40 during its October meeting in Mobile, Alabama.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 4:05 pm to Motorboat
So am i reading this correctly? they are still for separation?
I just dont understand how you can setup an advisory panel, they come in and recommend no action then just say well I guess well take action even though they advised us not to.
I just dont understand how you can setup an advisory panel, they come in and recommend no action then just say well I guess well take action even though they advised us not to.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 4:13 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
So am i reading this correctly? they are still for separation?
Yes. Dividing the recreational sector as follows despite the advisory panel urging no action.
quote:
Preferred Alternative 7 would result in a federal for-hire allocation of 44% and a private angling allocation of 56%.
Recs get largest percentage of the alternatives but still take it in the arse since we never had this BS before. LINK
Posted on 9/2/14 at 4:40 pm to Motorboat
quote:
Dividing the recreational sector
the for-hire guys are making money off a fishing effort, hence their share should come out of the commercial side (51% of total allowable)
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:56 pm to mack the knife
quote:
their share should come out of the commercial side (51% of total allowable)
That's the drum we need to beat but no one will hear
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:14 pm to Motorboat
The Council is expected to take final action on Amendment 40 during its October meeting in Mobile, Alabama. They will pass then in October In Mobile
Posted on 9/3/14 at 6:31 am to Motorboat
quote:
That's the drum we need to beat but no one will hear
It was discussed at the BR hearing by joe mac
Posted on 9/3/14 at 7:15 am to mack the knife
quote:
It was discussed at the BR hearing by joe mac
I know. I was there and it was the best point made the whole night.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 7:38 am to mack the knife
quote:
the for-hire guys are making money off a fishing effort, hence their share should come out of the commercial side (51% of total allowable)
I agree if you are fishing for profit whether it be selling the meat or taking people fishing that should come out of the commercial catch numbers.
This shite storm comes at the perfect time since i just bought an offshore boat over the labor day weekend FML murphy's law i guess
Posted on 9/3/14 at 7:56 am to Motorboat
quote:
best point made the whole night.
agreed.
did you speak?
Page 9 of 10
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News