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re: Amendment 40 Red Snapper Discussion
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:28 am to Sparkplug#1
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:28 am to Sparkplug#1
quote:Wait....what? This pleasure you speak of is still the pursuit of the same food. These people just don't need to hire someone to get it done.
but when it comes down to it, I'd give it to the commercial guys that have been doing it for generations. Don't take a man's livelihood in exchange for your pleasure.
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Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:29 am to tilco
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I know it probably doesn't matter but until they come off this bullshite I only eat seafood caught by myself or someone I know.
I've never heard that. What is that about?
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:35 am to pointdog33
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I'm sure they are supposed to but it doesn't always happen. Any time an oil spill or disruption to the fishery of any size happens, the guys flock to make a claim against whatever company it is. The company then asks to see trip tickets and receipts.... crickets from the those making claims.
Well if they don't then there is sever penalties like jail time in my previous example.
If the fisherman is selling to a dock, then the dock and fisherman must report their catch. And they examine records to make sure they match up. And the agents spot check the docks to make sure what they have on hand, they have trip tickets for.
Now the fisherman that sells directly to the public or to restaurants could more easily falsify their landings. Those types of sales are a very small percentage of landings I would think though.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:09 am to Motorboat
On the commercial monitoring side its not as cut and dried and reported to the pound. On the east coast they tried putting a vessel monitoring pgm in place for bandit boats w/ cameras onboard to record what was caught …. It was amazing how many towels got thrown over a camera, or fish that went around the gunnel and were lifted up out view of the camera, etc. I understand the crew wants privacy but the reality of pgm was to see if what was reported was what was caught, what throwback rates were, handling etc.
The reality is we need realistic data – otherwise its garbage in, garbage out of the models. And the parameters of the models have to be accurate
The reality is we need realistic data – otherwise its garbage in, garbage out of the models. And the parameters of the models have to be accurate
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:18 am to OntarioTiger
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On the east coast they tried putting a vessel monitoring pgm in place for bandit boats w/ cameras onboard to record what was caught
Steve Tomeny is asking for this in his vessels. He is succumbing to extra regulation. When have you ever heard of a businessman beg for more regulation? The feds have the entire recreational sector bent over a barrel. So much that they are asking to be monitored with a camera?
WTF is this world coming to?
Posted on 8/29/14 at 11:16 am to AlxTgr
Yeah, cause your livelihood depends on you going out there to catch snapper, if not, you'll starve. Go it.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 11:24 am to Sparkplug#1
quote:Never said that. I can explain it to you, but I cannot make you understand it.
Yeah, cause your livelihood depends on you going out there to catch snapper, if not, you'll starve. Go it.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 11:50 am to AlxTgr
They will also have to have electronic trip computers on all federally permitted charter boats. Of course, they give these to Commercial fisherman but the Charter boats will have to buy them at 1700 bucks a head. Then the operator will record all catches and the feds will be able to track the movement of all boats.
Could do the same thing for recs with a phone app in areas with cell coverage
Could do the same thing for recs with a phone app in areas with cell coverage
Posted on 8/29/14 at 12:03 pm to TutHillTiger
Why don't we just start with the government PROVING the snapper numbers have declined from 10 years ago.
I personally don't eat snapper dishes at restaurants because of all this crap. I simply choose another dish. Until all you wanna be protesters actually take the same action, the government will continue to take more freedoms away from individuals.
If only someone could get coordinated enough to get the southern states, LA, FLA, AL, Miss, and TX to do 2 things, it would help.
1. Refuse to order snapper dishes at any place offering them. If it doesn't sell, the place will stop offering it.
2.The restaurants themselves should all agree to quit offering the snapper dishes for an entire year.
I'm not sure where else these commercial snapper go, but you have to start somewhere.
I personally don't eat snapper dishes at restaurants because of all this crap. I simply choose another dish. Until all you wanna be protesters actually take the same action, the government will continue to take more freedoms away from individuals.
If only someone could get coordinated enough to get the southern states, LA, FLA, AL, Miss, and TX to do 2 things, it would help.
1. Refuse to order snapper dishes at any place offering them. If it doesn't sell, the place will stop offering it.
2.The restaurants themselves should all agree to quit offering the snapper dishes for an entire year.
I'm not sure where else these commercial snapper go, but you have to start somewhere.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 8/29/14 at 12:15 pm to Sparkplug#1
quote:you kidding bro? IMO if a species of fish is in trouble, the FIRST sector to be cut out is the Commercial side. There are plenty of other fish they can move onto to make a living. Just my opinion i bet most dont agree.
I'd give it to the commercial guys that have been doing it for generations. Don't take a man's livelihood in exchange for your pleasure.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 12:20 pm to Sparkplug#1
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Yeah, cause your livelihood depends on you going out there to catch snapper, if not, you'll starve. Go it.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 12:45 pm to Sparkplug#1
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Yeah, cause your livelihood depends on you going out there to catch snapper, if not, you'll starve. Go it.
Commercial fisherman won't starve either. There's plenty of other ways to make money out there.
Don't take away recreation because some guys are too lazy to learn something new
Posted on 8/29/14 at 12:46 pm to GeeOH
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2.The restaurants themselves should all agree to quit offering the snapper dishes for an entire year.
Restaurants lobby will support commercial interests. No way they'd agree to that
Posted on 8/29/14 at 12:53 pm to GeeOH
How is anything you've said supposed to help? How is that going to fix the low quota issue and the way the Feds estimate recreational landings?
Not eat snapper at restaurants won't solve anything.
Not eat snapper at restaurants won't solve anything.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 8/29/14 at 12:59 pm to Boats n Hose
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Commercial fisherman won't starve either. There's plenty of other ways to make money out there.
Not anymore. Not a ton of fish they can catch anymore which is due to strict regulations in the past 10-20 years.
Fwiw, the majority of commercial fisherman are old and should be getting out of it eventually. Most of the younger generation have moved on to the oil business where they can make better money. At one time the older generation knew nothing but commercial fishing and where they grew up, that is what most people did. That is why they fought so hard to keep
It back in the 80-90's with the redfish thing and gill net bans. As it is now, it's a dying business.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 1:23 pm to JasonL79
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How is anything you've said supposed to help? How is that going to fix the low quota issue and the way the Feds estimate recreational landings?
Not eat snapper at restaurants won't solve anything.
Yea, you're right. We should just sit back and take the regulations. The government does this so they can tax and control. If you take away the tax income and also what they are already losing by demolishing the recreational fishing economy, it will hurt.
Restricting a fish to recreational fishermen with an absurd quota on a fish that isn't in trouble numbers wise, is something that people should go against. And all you people weeping for the poor commercial fisherman, you do know they are the lobby that got this going to begin with, right?
Snapper aren't endangered. Recreational fishermen aren't responsible for ANY decline in numbers of snapper and only a complete moron would believe otherwise.
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Not eat snapper at restaurants won't solve anything.
bullshite. I guess it didn't hurt the oyster industry when they weren't being sold in restaurants. Supply and demand are king and I would like nothing better than to see the commercial guys struggle because their greed is what got us here to begin with.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 1:26 pm to CarRamrod
quote:Seems obvious.
IMO if a species of fish is in trouble, the FIRST sector to be cut out is the Commercial side.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 2:08 pm to AlxTgr
I understand your argument, I just disagree with it. I'm fine with disagreeing. 
Posted on 8/29/14 at 2:10 pm to Sparkplug#1
Posted on 8/29/14 at 3:11 pm to GeeOH
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Yea, you're right. We should just sit back and take the regulations.
I never said that. I would keep supporting the state who seems to be fighting some of the battle for us. Maybe even push our representatives and senators more on the issue.
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If you take away the tax income and also what they are already losing by demolishing the recreational fishing economy, it will hurt.
Considering most commercially caught red snapper gets shipped to the east coast and most to the northeast you aren't doing anything by boycotting local restaurants. If anything you are only hurting local restaurants and the parish government(less sales tax income). The commercials are still going to sell their red snapper and pay "federal" income taxes whether you boycott here or not.
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I would like nothing better than to see the commercial guys struggle because their greed is what got us here to begin with.
This is sad that so many recreationals have this opinion. They talk about the commercials like they are different from everyone else. We live in a capitalist country where everyone wants to make more money. That is what these fisherman did. Call it greed but it's no different than people trying to make more money in other industries by working harder to get through the ranks. When commercials work harder, they make more money. This is why regulations should be in place to prevent overfishing but it needs to be done with accurate scientific methods which doesn't seem to be the case now.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 3:17 pm
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