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1911 question
Posted on 11/15/15 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 11/15/15 at 8:59 pm
Okay, I've owned plenty of fullsize 9mm's, but never a 1911, until now. Came across a Tisas Zig M 1911 used, at a good price (definitely under the listed new price I see online), seems in excellent/ almost new condition. From what I can tell it probably doesn't have more than 100 rds through it, if that. Does have a scratch from at least one disassembly (the slide stop scratch), and a little wear on the front strap.
For those that are 1911 guys, what's the general consensus on this gun? I'll post in advance that I fully understand it isn't a Les Baer, Ed Brown, Dan Wesson etc. But it does seem to be a clean, solid GI copy (which is what I wanted).
Are these good pistols, or are they junk? If junk, why? There doesn't seem to be a lot online on these Turkish guns. Thanks in advance
For those that are 1911 guys, what's the general consensus on this gun? I'll post in advance that I fully understand it isn't a Les Baer, Ed Brown, Dan Wesson etc. But it does seem to be a clean, solid GI copy (which is what I wanted).
Are these good pistols, or are they junk? If junk, why? There doesn't seem to be a lot online on these Turkish guns. Thanks in advance
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 9:08 pm to Scoob
It has a cast frame. Most major 1911 manufacturer like Colt and Springfield have forged frames. It is made in Turkey. I have read on a couple of forums where people have had trouble adding aftermarket parts because they don't fit properly.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 10:02 pm to Scoob
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 10:07 pm to lsufan1971
quote:How much of a difference does that make? I'm reading that some respected brands, like Dan Wesson, STI, Para Ordnance, and Ruger all use cast frames. LINK
It has a cast frame. Most major 1911 manufacturer like Colt and Springfield have forged frames
quote:Yeah, I saw that. That didn't bother me, as the Turks are putting out some decent 9mms (Stoeger, the Canik CZ clones, the ATI Beretta 92 clones until that was stopped). Nothing negative about them, from what I've read; and I'm ok with the country too (afterall, it's in NATO). Any word on the 1911's they've put out? What little I have seen has been 2 camps: one is that the guns are well-made for the price, and the other mocking it for being inexpensive and foreign. I like inexpensive, and don't get stuck on country of manufacture.
It is made in Turkey
Posted on 11/15/15 at 10:27 pm to Scoob
quote:
How much of a difference does that make? I'm reading that some respected brands, like Dan Wesson, STI, Para Ordnance, and Ruger all use cast frames.
It makes zero practical difference. The alloys used for cast frames offer benefits that a traditional forging would have in terms of strength in addition to high precision of the parts without as much additional machining to get the net shape.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:30 pm to Clames
So... bumping for the 1911 experts to chime in.
I don't expect a race gun, but I'm hoping for a reasonably accurate, reasonably reliable service-quality gun, that doesn't break or jam a lot on factory ball.
Only a few online reviews, not a lot of info. I'm greatly encouraged by Hickok45's review LINK
I don't expect a race gun, but I'm hoping for a reasonably accurate, reasonably reliable service-quality gun, that doesn't break or jam a lot on factory ball.
Only a few online reviews, not a lot of info. I'm greatly encouraged by Hickok45's review LINK
Posted on 11/17/15 at 4:55 am to Scoob
Sounds to me like you're already sold on it. If I remember correctly these guns are being made for buds gun shop. Like you said it's not a Baer or a brown or a Springfield or a kimber or a Taurus or a rock island and as long as you're ok with that then go for it. Wouldn't trust my life to it but you can shoot it at the range.
Fwiw I'm absolutely not trying to bash you or the gun but wanted to make my point clear.
Fwiw I'm absolutely not trying to bash you or the gun but wanted to make my point clear.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 6:34 am to Scoob
It looks like a decent 1911 and I doubt you will have any issues.
Where the big name manufacturers separate themselves from the smaller imports is usually in quality control. You'll essentially be buying the same basic gun whether it's from Smith and Wesson or this small import company. The difference is going to be quality control and the possibility of having to send it back. That doesn't mean that buying a cheaper brand guarantees it will need to go back to the original manufacturer for work, it just means the chances may be a bit higher.
But as others have said, from what I've seen being made in Turkey, I wouldn't worry too much. If you just want a basic 1911 I'm sure you'll be pleased with it.
Where the big name manufacturers separate themselves from the smaller imports is usually in quality control. You'll essentially be buying the same basic gun whether it's from Smith and Wesson or this small import company. The difference is going to be quality control and the possibility of having to send it back. That doesn't mean that buying a cheaper brand guarantees it will need to go back to the original manufacturer for work, it just means the chances may be a bit higher.
But as others have said, from what I've seen being made in Turkey, I wouldn't worry too much. If you just want a basic 1911 I'm sure you'll be pleased with it.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:22 am to Scoob
I don't know anything about the gun itself, so sorry about that. I will say that 1911's in 9mm can be 'finicky' about magazines and ammo. If you purchase additional mags for it, make sure they are good quality. You said you will be using ball ammo, so you shouldn't have any loading issues. Those guns are notorious for loading hollow points tho. I have one that will load 6 rounds out of the mag with ease, but if you put 7-8 in the mag, the first round will nosedive into the ramp more than 50% of the time.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:03 am to Scoob
quote:Wouldn't say I'm sold, but yes I've already bought it; so I'm hoping it's good
LouisianaChessie
Sounds to me like you're already sold on it. If I remember correctly these guns are being made for buds gun shop. Like you said it's not a Baer or a brown or a Springfield or a kimber or a Taurus or a rock island and as long as you're ok with that then go for it. Wouldn't trust my life to it but you can shoot it at the range.
. I haven't shot it yet quote:Thanks;
bapple
It looks like a decent 1911 and I doubt you will have any issues.
The difference is going to be quality control and the possibility of having to send it back. That doesn't mean that buying a cheaper brand guarantees it will need to go back to the original manufacturer for work, it just means the chances may be a bit higher.
But as others have said, from what I've seen being made in Turkey, I wouldn't worry too much
Guys; I guess my biggest fear is "the Llama issue". I'm not a 1911 guy, but I've heard enough to know to avoid those, simply because they aren't quite 1911's when it comes to parts interchangeability, and there are lots of internet (and face-to-face) reports of terrible quality control.
So- the gun is mine now, and I just hope I don't have the new Llama, if that makes sense
quote:yeah, I've heard that too, about all 1911s. This is my first 45 acp, my brother says he sticks with Chip McCormick and Wilson mags. I plan on that too; although frankly I'd like 1 nice flush-fit 7 rd mag. I'm guessing I should stay away from the cheap Sarco mags?
Bagger Joe
I don't know anything about the gun itself, so sorry about that. I will say that 1911's in 9mm can be 'finicky' about magazines and ammo.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 12:07 pm to Scoob
quote:
yeah, I've heard that too, about all 1911s. This is my first 45 acp
I'm sorry, Scoob. From your OP I assumed you were buying a 1911 framed 9mm. My 1911 45s have never given me any of the issues my 9mm has, but yes, stick with good mags for your 45 too.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:22 pm to Bagger Joe
Yeah, I worded that poorly. This is my first 1911, AND my first .45 acp. But not my first pistol.
Which, really, is kind of surprising, to me. I'm not far from hitting 50, and as far back as I can remember, if you said "semiautomatic pistol", the gun I'd picture is the 1911. Part of my fascination with the various "Wundernines" is all the unique takes and evolutions, all the ways you twisted to make it NOT a 1911, basically.
Which, really, is kind of surprising, to me. I'm not far from hitting 50, and as far back as I can remember, if you said "semiautomatic pistol", the gun I'd picture is the 1911. Part of my fascination with the various "Wundernines" is all the unique takes and evolutions, all the ways you twisted to make it NOT a 1911, basically.
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