re: With all the talk about TOPS being cut why is no one suggesting the military?

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Well for one TOPS is a state program, the military is federal..

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When I went to college, there was no TOPS. You had a few choices. Earn a scholarship, join the military, get a loan, or pay for it your damn self.

And back then, nobody was whining about having your loan forgiven.

Oh, and getting a 17 on your ACT pretty much eliminated that scholarship idea right off. Don't you pretty much get a 17 for spelling your name correctly and filling in the right dots?

A 17 out of a possible 36? That's less than half....Even with a 17 you should be able to figure that out.

Score 50% on any test or for a class and see what grade you get.

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also they lose about two a year to suicide

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God I hope we find a way to better train/identify/treat soldiers with PTSD.

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In what other ways do you admire these countries?

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I have friends that currently live in Germany and have thoroughly toured Europe over my years. The economies of these particular countries are in top notch shape, their healthcare systems are excellent, amazingly low unemployment and poverty rates (Finland's unemployment is a little high but 2nd lowest poverty rate) and as far as best quality of life which takes into consideration factors of housing, average income, jobs, community involvement, education, environment, civic engagement, etc. All 3 of these countries rank ahead of the U.S. so there is plenty to admire.

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Seriously.... aren't they all in the middle of an immigrant crisis right now?

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Yes, they are having some issues of dealing with the mass influx of migrants from war torn middle eastern countries and they are working on solving these problems. The main problem is finding food and shelter for these families in need. If you are implying that because of the 3, 4 or 5 negative stories you may have heard of about some 2 million or so people makes the people themselves the crisis then you need to get a better understanding of math and percentages.

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But you probably want to give this country to ISIS because it's just as much theirs as ours.

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Nice red herring and ad hominem attack loaded with BS and completely lacking of facts...I will explain these big words to you.

"A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue."

Ad hominem attack is an argument or reaction directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

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This country was great because of it's "boot straps" work ethic.

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I just love your use of past tense here.

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Because the public thinks education is an inalienable right.

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Da public be wrong

these frickers are to lazy to earn it

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A lot of people do not grasp this concept. However, the plethora of student aid programs and bull shite degrees has really cheapened the value of a college education. What job twenty years ago required a high school diploma now requires a college degree.

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agreed, but this is also the fault of the education-banking industry. They've been running the biggest sham in the world for years now making parents and students believe a college degree was the key and necessary to being successful. those who bought into the sham were more than willing to borrow money to enroll. Now people are realizing its a sham, but they're in debt up to their eyeballs.

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Finland and Danish governments have free college because they either tax near 50% or require short stints in the military and sometimes both

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All true but except for Denmark those are flat tax rates on income and the averages are the same from like $60k per year and above. In the U.S. once you figure in all Fed, state, local, SS and sales tax we are right at 39.6% average per individual according to LINK , go ahead and wind up with all your "Socialist" and "Communist" snowballs but I for one have no problem paying another 10% on a regular basis and know I will never have to worry about a kids college savings, medical emergencies or even elderly care for your parents or yourself when the time comes. Plus those numbers do not include how much you currently pay for health insurance which is right back in your pocket in this situation. If believing strongly in "United we stand and divided we fall" makes me a socialist then so be it!

should be a requirement for Pell grant and student loans too, while you're at it.

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Millenials want something for nothing. They don't want to deny themselves a $12 expresso every day in order pay off their loans, and the majority of millennials do not want to serve their country but want their country to serve them. That is why.

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Millennials did most of the fighting in the past 10 years you dipshit.

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Shut up you communist.

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I know this is a messageboard, but you are being beyond disrespectful to a serviceman. Please grow up.