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re: Why isnt AAC(Autoclaved Aerated Concrete) used more in construction?

Posted on 11/16/15 at 7:36 am to
Posted by 4WHLN
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 7:36 am to
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Has anyone on here used AAC?


We did two houses with this stuff years ago. One was south of Houma and the other was a camp down in the Hackberry area. Cant remember the actual cost per sqft, but it was considerable more to build. Labor alone for electrical and mechanical are considerable more. It does have its benefits (sound, insulation value) but not enough to offset the initial cost of construction.

I remember asking the owners in Houma why they wanted this crap and she said because when it floods, you can simply hose out all the filth, repaint and your good to go.
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 7:42 am
Posted by 4WHLN
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 7:40 am to
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No break on Insurance

Not sure about today, but from what I was told couple years back, you do get a good discount on your insurance.
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 8:19 am to
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There is one being built on Old Jefferson Highway between Antioch and Highland.


Yep. Built like a big Styrofoam ice chest. Jealous of it.
Posted by retired trucker
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 8:22 am to
sounds great for a bunker...
Posted by Dick Leverage
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 8:26 am to
This.

Any new technology in construction has to go through a tedious vetting process with a great deal of pushback from the status quo.

I was a commercial sales manager for a very large ready mixed concrete producer. It took many years AFTER years of R&D to persuade Architects and Structural Engineers to allow new products as options.....much less to have them actually spec the product.

I worked for several years along side a company out of Vancouver on their innovative foundation waterproofing product. While all Structural Engineers show great interest in innovation, they are also all reluctant to be the "first" to approve it on their project. There has to be years of research and dozens or more of example projects available for them to even consider actually allowing the product. After years of a concerted effort with the manufacturer, we finally got the product listed as an option on the Georgia Aquarium project. And it was only to be an option on small areas scattered around the project. That was around 10 years ago and the minimal use on that project led to it being used on future projects.

Same exact process occurred in working to get structural fiber specified as an alternative to traditional concrete reinforcement on elevated mezzanine slabs and industrial slabs on grade. Worked with the innovators of that technology out of Pennsylvania pitching it to SEs for many years before it was finally specified and used on the 12th and Midtown project.

Aside from those, we had our own in house R&D on SCC ( self consolidating concrete) and Pervious Concrete that our Tech department spent years designing and testing.

Of course, the traditional waterproofing and steel reinforcement producers did not like it and fought tooth and nail to maintain status quo. We were adding the waterproofing and reinforcement ( other than around columns and beams)to the concrete mix and that was detrimental to their industry. It required innovation and progress on their part and up and down the line.....which means investment.

I imagine that the same dynamics are at play in this situation.
Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 8:38 am to
It's hard to change people's minds especially when it comes to their pocket book. I really think this stuff should replace wood, the cost is not that big of a gap plus you save on your electric and insurance. So basically your house will pay you back, as a matter of fact I could make this house net zero using this and a few other products.
Posted by 99DSTJ
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 8:47 am to
I used SIPs on my home and really like it.
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 8:49 am
Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 8:52 am to
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What's the increase in cost PSF


This is what they sent me to compare.

Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 8:55 am to
Structurally it is weaker than grout filled CMU or even CIP concrete. Also falls apart when there's water leakage or moisture infiltration. We had a building that was exposed to freeze thaw cycle and the AAC bricks were just really deteriorating from water exposure. Wood does something similar but much less pronounced.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 8:55 am to
Is that the price just for installation off the wall or finished with installation of utilities?
Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 8:56 am to
finished I believe not 100% sure yet.
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 8:57 am
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 8:57 am to
Didn't see it included, that would be my biggest suspicion.

Also, additional cost for something other than stucco.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 9:03 am to
Also, I think there is one in Lexington Lakes out on Hwy 30. Tried to get an address on google maps, but they apparently haven't updated it in 5 years, even the street view doesn't show the house.

It is on the inside corner odd Landmark Drive at the very front of the neighborhood. Been there about 6-8 years.
Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 9:06 am to
Gonna look at some already finished before I do anything. Thanks for the info. I really think this is the way to go.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 9:10 am to
I looked at the cost many years back, the style house we had on mind would have benefited visually from this style construction.

When everything was done we were looking at 200/sqft. That was with a few upgrades to the finish, but just talking to labor there were a lot of contractors that had no clue working with it and some that instilled little faith that "they could do it"

It is probably more common now.
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 9:19 am to
I heard the same thing about steel framing a few years back. Now, you have a bunch of half-assed steel framed house that nobody wants.

Proper traditional build techniques yield a home that is hurricane wind-resistant, relatively inexpensive, and with foam, very energy efficient.

I don't think concrete will catch on, even with it's positives.
Posted by VetteGuy
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 9:24 am to
PB, I'd look very close at cost-I think it will be very high.

Two years ago, concrete was $88-95 a yd. I'm sure it's more now.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 9:26 am to
AAC home that survived the california wildfires








I can see this being very advantageous in storm/flood prone areas. I would not classify Baton Rouge being one of those areas.
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28322 posts
Posted on 11/16/15 at 9:30 am to
I would also bet that the AAC house was built after the new codes, hence no glass damage.

You can do that with wood as well, if you use proper bracing.

You got it on the fire, though.

Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 10:33 am to
I think aerated concrete is priced a little different than regular concrete
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