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re: Who says The Russian military isn't very close to ours?
Posted on 10/15/15 at 10:06 am to upgrayedd
Posted on 10/15/15 at 10:06 am to upgrayedd
I have a hard time believing Russia could field a a fleet of gen 5 fighters and keep them combat operational for more than a week. It's got to take a massive amount of resources to keep those things in the air.
They have prototype gen 5 stuff. We've had F22's flying in and out of Tyndall non-stop since the 90's probably. I don't think anybody could frick with us if we took the gloves off.
They have prototype gen 5 stuff. We've had F22's flying in and out of Tyndall non-stop since the 90's probably. I don't think anybody could frick with us if we took the gloves off.
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Posted on 10/15/15 at 10:09 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Russian fighter jets have some badass paint jobs.
Advantage-Russia
I saw their 70th anniversary of VE Day parade. It looks like every unit in the entire military has their own uniforms, Class A's and BDU's. No wonder their military is broke. They probably spend more on uniforms than they do training
Posted on 10/15/15 at 10:12 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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They have prototype gen 5 stuff. We've had F22's flying in and out of Tyndall non-stop since the 90's probably. I don't think anybody could frick with us if we took the gloves off.
And these are the fighters we know about. The F-117 was around for almost 9 years before it became public in 1988.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 10:29 am to bamarep
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A vast majority of that money is buddy deal contracts, red tape, and just general waste ($500 screwdrivers anyone?).
Do any of you that keep repeating this nonsense actually have a source? I purchase a lot of stuff out of the GSA catalogs and it is almost always way cheaper than what you could buy it for on the civilian market. Contractors that cheat and bill the gov't for outrageous sums are civilians so maybe you might want to focus your ire there.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 10:32 am to RabidTiger
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Do you think the RUSSIANS are less wasteful?
Sure they are, but I'd bet they aren't NEARLY wasteful as we are. Not even comparable If I had to guess and it was transparent enough to study.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 10:43 am to Darth_Vader
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Next, I'll take a comparative look at the ground forces of both countries
Thank you, sir, for that interesting and informative read. It seems that those 5 squadrons in Europe would be overwhelmed rather quickly in the event of a surprise. I am not so sure our forces to deploy quick enough to stop Russian air superiority. Not saying that I couldn't be won back, to which I am sure it would be. But it wouldn't be easy.
Here is another question. How would our military fare if the satellites were taken out?
Posted on 10/15/15 at 11:00 am to Spaceman Spiff
Relevant to OP.
Doesn't look they're using the circa 1975 rusted junk many wanted to attribute them capable of.
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Two weeks of air and missile strikes in Syria have given Western intelligence and military officials a deeper appreciation of the transformation that Russia’s military has undergone under President Vladimir V. Putin, showcasing its ability to conduct operations beyond its borders and providing a public demonstration of new weaponry, tactics and strategy.
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The strikes have involved aircraft never before tested in combat, including the Sukhoi Su-34 strike fighter, which NATO calls the Fullback, and a ship-based cruise missile fired more than 900 miles from the Caspian Sea, which, according to some analysts, surpasses the American equivalent in technological capability
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In a report this month for the European Council on Foreign Relations, Gustav Gressel argued that Mr. Putin had overseen the most rapid transformation of the country’s armed forces since the 1930s. “Russia is now a military power that could overwhelm any of its neighbors, if they were isolated from Western support,” wrote Mr. Gressel, a former officer of the Austrian military.
Doesn't look they're using the circa 1975 rusted junk many wanted to attribute them capable of.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 11:03 am to Darth_Vader
Just curious, are you trying to play devil's advocate?
Anyway, of the 38 fighter squadrons, almost half are not up to operational level.
Russia has a huge problem with Pilots to fill those seats. If we fight a war on the 40 hour work week it would greatly help them.
You neglect to account for NATO fighter units and US NAVY fighter units.
You also neglect that we launch our bomber fleets from within the US, we do not need to base them in Europe.
Anyway, of the 38 fighter squadrons, almost half are not up to operational level.
Russia has a huge problem with Pilots to fill those seats. If we fight a war on the 40 hour work week it would greatly help them.
You neglect to account for NATO fighter units and US NAVY fighter units.
You also neglect that we launch our bomber fleets from within the US, we do not need to base them in Europe.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 11:03 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Here is another question. How would our military fare if the satellites were taken out?
We would be so fricked without GPS. But I think those satellites are pretty high up.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 11:04 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Thank you, sir, for that interesting and informative read. It seems that those 5 squadrons in Europe would be overwhelmed rather quickly in the event of a surprise. I am not so sure our forces to deploy quick enough to stop Russian air superiority. Not saying that I couldn't be won back, to which I am sure it would be. But it wouldn't be easy.
Here is another question. How would our military fare if the satellites were taken out?
If they took out our military satellites, we'd be in a world of trouble. More than anything else this is our Achilles Heel.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 11:05 am to Spaceman Spiff
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The cruise missiles fired from Russian frigates and destroyers in the Caspian Sea were first tested only in 2012. With a range said to reach 900 miles, they had not been used in combat before
and now we know why the Russians are getting active. Sabre rattling.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 11:11 am to volnavy
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Just curious, are you trying to play devil's advocate?
If this is directed at me, no. I'm just trying to be a realist. Those that want to brush off other country's military just because we outspend them is a grave mistake IMO.
The next two largest military's in the world are growing exponentially, ours is shrinking. Plus, one key note of late is Russia's willingness to go "all in" to achieve a clear goal shouldn't be discounted. We can't seem to be even able to establish a clear goal, much less go all in to accomplish it.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 11:12 am to volnavy
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Just curious, are you trying to play devil's advocate?
Anyway, of the 38 fighter squadrons, almost half are not up to operational level.
Russia has a huge problem with Pilots to fill those seats. If we fight a war on the 40 hour work week it would greatly help them.
You neglect to account for NATO fighter units and US NAVY fighter units.
You also neglect that we launch our bomber fleets from within the US, we do not need to
No, I'm not trying to play advocate for anyone. All I'm trying to do is take a realistic stance on this subject based on my own knowledge and the facts of the current force structures of both countries. I'm not saying Russia would inflict a defeat on the US in a major war. I'm just point out that the Russia of 2015 is not the Russia of 1995. They're rebuilding and modernizing their force at a rapid pace. And as things stand now, if the Russians wanted to overrun central Europe, there's not much there that stands in their way. Yeah, with time and a lot of effort and bloodshed we would eventually push them back, but not before they probably reached at least central Germany or perhaps even the Rhine.
ETA: I'm curious to know where you're getting your information on the number of Russian squadrons that are not operational as well as your claim they are lacking pilots.
This post was edited on 10/15/15 at 11:14 am
Posted on 10/15/15 at 11:12 am to Spaceman Spiff
WTF is this shite.. If it ever came down to it and minus that pussy we got in the white house.. The U.S military with the gloves off and no political bullshite ...Would wipe the fricking floor with anyone ,anytime ..Any fricking where.. And it wouldn't be close..
Posted on 10/15/15 at 11:13 am to klrstix
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The largest difference in our military and the Russian military is our economies.
We have a great deal more ability engage in a sustainable conflict.
Soooo....... WWII all over again.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 11:15 am to Phil A Sheo
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U.S military with the gloves off
Found the problem with that line of thinking. Name the last time this was the case.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
This post was edited on 10/15/15 at 11:16 am
Posted on 10/15/15 at 11:15 am to Darth_Vader
Of course, I don't have much first hand knowledge here, but it seems as though they don't have much depth. Yes, they have some new shiny toys, but they don't seem like they could sustain an offensive against someone bigger than Ukraine and Georgia.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 11:17 am to CadesCove
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Russia has lots and lots of people.
We have nearly 200 million more people than Russia. The European Union has 500 million people total, while Russia has 150 million. I don't understand what you are talking about.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 11:17 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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The largest difference in our military and the Russian military is our economies.
We have a great deal more ability engage in a sustainable conflict.
Soooo....... WWII all over again.
If we're talking sustaining a major war on the scale of WWII, we're woefully unprepared from a manufacturing standpoint. It would take years to rebuild our manufacturing capability to sustain even a shadow of a force similar to what we fielded in WWII.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 11:19 am to Darth_Vader
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And as things stand now, if the Russians wanted to overrun central Europe, there's not much there that stands in their way.
What exactly would be the point of that? If it ever were to get to such a point, the nuclear option would almost certainly be used. It's not as if Poland, Finland, and other countries in the buffer zone between Russia and Central Europe have forgotten about the Russians.
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