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Who Had the Greatest Colonial Power in History?
Posted on 4/26/24 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 4/26/24 at 2:35 pm
Looking back at history and the great powers in history, who do you think had the greatest colonial presence and power? The French? Spanish? English? Portuguese?
Or do you think the greatest goes back further than that?
My vote would have to be the Spanish. They colonized so much of the New World (South, Central, and North America) and their influence is still felt today. Look at all the countries who still speak Spanish.The British are a close second. Agree or Disagree?
Or do you think the greatest goes back further than that?
My vote would have to be the Spanish. They colonized so much of the New World (South, Central, and North America) and their influence is still felt today. Look at all the countries who still speak Spanish.The British are a close second. Agree or Disagree?
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 2:36 pm to SaintlyTiger88
British
Posted on 4/26/24 at 2:38 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Def the Brits.
Has there ever been an empire that wasn't (ultimately) made dramatically weaker because of their colonial ambitions?
Has there ever been an empire that wasn't (ultimately) made dramatically weaker because of their colonial ambitions?
This post was edited on 4/26/24 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 4/26/24 at 2:40 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Genghis Khan. He had the largest empire in terms of square mileage and total land
This post was edited on 4/26/24 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 4/26/24 at 2:42 pm to Ostrich
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British
It's really no contest...Britain controlled 26% of the planet at one point. Only the Mongols could compete
Posted on 4/26/24 at 2:45 pm to Ten Bears
depends on how you measure ?
The Romans aren't even on your list
The Romans aren't even on your list
Posted on 4/26/24 at 2:49 pm to SaintlyTiger88
The United States
Posted on 4/26/24 at 2:52 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Sun never sets on the British empire baw
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:03 pm to JasonDBlaha
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Genghis Khan. He had the largest empire in terms of square mileage and total land
Collapsed immediately after he died.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:10 pm to GoldenGuy
Pretty easily the British.
The Spaniards may have taken a lot but couldn't hold them at all.
The Spaniards may have taken a lot but couldn't hold them at all.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:13 pm to JasonDBlaha
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Genghis Khan. He had the largest empire in terms of square mileage and total land
His navy did poorly against the Japanese.
But I'll agree with the Mongols at #1, what they did was incredible. And it's amazing that they could have conceivably taken Japan without poor luck with the weather. The rifle ended their domination.
Rome at #2. That fall is what we need to learn from.
The Brits take the Bronze Medal for empire, and the Gold for best navy during the time of empires. The navy made all the difference.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:13 pm to GoldenGuy
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Collapsed immediately after he died.
Link? This isn't true
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:14 pm to SaintlyTiger88
I would say the Brits
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:18 pm to rltiger
Were the Dutch a colonial power? I never hear much about their colonies and how big of a presence they were. Obviously not much compared to the Brits and Spaniards.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:22 pm to Tigris
Khan was able to conquer 11,000,000 square miles with no muskets or cannons. Still pretty damn impressive. But yeah as soon as he died and muskets became more mainstream the Mongol empire collapsed like a deck of cards
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:23 pm to SaintlyTiger88
It's Britain and it isn't even close (although I probably put the Spanish second). The Royal Navy was their ultimate trump card.
The Spaniards got the early lead, but were too exploitative and short-sighted. Pound-for-pound, the Dutch did very well (as did the Portuguese). The French had some interesting colonies (not the least of which was New France), but always seemed to be "also rans" to either the British or Spanish (or both).
Compared to English?
If you just count Asia and Africa, there are probably 2 1/2 to 3 billion humans for which English is their second or third language and they are at least competent in that language. That's ignoring entire continents that English is the primary language (North America and Australia).
The Spaniards got the early lead, but were too exploitative and short-sighted. Pound-for-pound, the Dutch did very well (as did the Portuguese). The French had some interesting colonies (not the least of which was New France), but always seemed to be "also rans" to either the British or Spanish (or both).
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Look at all the countries who still speak Spanish.
Compared to English?
If you just count Asia and Africa, there are probably 2 1/2 to 3 billion humans for which English is their second or third language and they are at least competent in that language. That's ignoring entire continents that English is the primary language (North America and Australia).
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:23 pm to rltiger
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the Brits
If you take out the one area there who militarily kicked them out, you are left with a lot of useless shite. Yeah, there are a few exceptions, but still. Also, that map seems to include parts of Louisiana (meaning the greater Mississippi Basin) that the Brits never claimed
Rome had basically all of Western Civilization.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:24 pm to rltiger
The British never controlled the Philippines. That was Spain before we kicked them out in 1896.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:25 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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Were the Dutch a colonial power? I never hear much about their colonies and how big of a presence they were. Obviously not much compared to the Brits and Spaniards.
There was that one little city that was once known as New Amsterdam.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:30 pm to SaintlyTiger88
quote:the Dutch were more businessmen /privateers..ish not as much Monarchy/Govt backed
Were the Dutch a colonial power? I never hear much about their colonies and how big of a presence they were. Obviously not much compared to the Brits and Spaniards.
the Norse/Viking raider tradition centuries later
again oversimplification
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