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re: when did cigarette narrative transfer from health to class warfare?
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:09 am to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:09 am to TheCaterpillar
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Alcohol 100% has health benefits in moderation.
Actually that's necessarily true. If you read deeper into the studies it shows that for some people alcohol has benefits, but for others it is bad even in moderation.
LINK
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It showed that when you simply compare alcohol consumption and health outcomes, you find a clear beneficial effect of moderate alcohol consumption. But if you take former drinkers out of the abstainers group, then the benefits don’t look so rosy – in fact, they all but disappear.
Which is to say, the health benefits gained by moderate drinkers who continue to drink is offset by "abstainers" who actually used to drink but who quit because of deleterious health effects.
There is also suspicion that the 'moderate drinkers' happen to be people who exercise more self control in general and so the correlation is not necessarily indicative of a causal relationship.
LINK
ETA: and this is coming from a dude who really enjoys a drink.
This post was edited on 11/13/15 at 9:11 am
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Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:12 am to Rouge
Because the national narrative among the kids today is that rich people are bad. It's not that hard
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:14 am to GEAUXT
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Nothing counteracts the effects of smoking
Quitting smoking
/checkmate
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:18 am to gorillacoco
May Clinic seems to think it has healthy benefits
And my favorite study was with the 14,000 people monitored for 25 years:
60 Minutes goes to Leisure World
And my favorite study was with the 14,000 people monitored for 25 years:
60 Minutes goes to Leisure World
quote:
Lesley Stahl: OK, Vitamin E. We're sitting at the edge of our chairs. Does it-- did it make a difference? Vitamin--
Claudia Kawas: It was--
Lesley Stahl: --E?
Claudia Kawas: --my favorite, but uh-uh.
Lesley Stahl: No?
Claudia Kawas: People who took Vitamin E didn't live any longer than people who didn't take Vitamin E.
They also looked at Vitamin A, C, and calcium...
Claudia Kawas: The short answer is none of 'em made a difference.
Lesley Stahl: None of them made a difference to living--
Claudia Kawas: In terms of--
Lesley Stahl: --a long life?
Claudia Kawas: --how long you live.
Lesley Stahl: What about alcohol?
Claudia Kawas: Oh. Alcohol made a difference.
But it may not be what you think...
Claudia Kawas: Moderate alcohol was associated with living longer than individuals who did not consume alcohol.
Lesley Stahl: Wait a minute. Ha-- moderate-- alcohol you live longer?
Claudia Kawas: Yes.
Up to two drinks a day led to a 10-15 percent reduced risk of death compared to non-drinkers.
Jane Whistler: Isn't that exciting?
And any kind of alcohol seemed to do the trick.
Claudia Kawas: A lot of people like to say it's only red wine. In our hands it didn't seem to matter.
Lesley Stahl: Martinis just as good.
Claudia Kawas: Yeah.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:20 am to SuperSaint
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Yeah but that's an expensive habit, which in turn makes it not trashy..... You can get a whole pack of cigs for like $6, trash
Well when you explain it like that it makes sense.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:20 am to TheCaterpillar
The amount of alcohol that I consume is killing any possible disease that could affect my body.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:22 am to High C
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The amount of alcohol that I consume is killing any possible disease that could affect my body.
The Keith Richard Diet is what I call that.
He can't get cancer or diseases because he kills them off.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:22 am to Eighteen
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e people smoking now know it's killing them and they're still doing it, so might as well try a new tactic.
How bout you just leave them alone, Stalin?
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:23 am to uway
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How bout you just leave them alone
dis right heyah !
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:24 am to TheCaterpillar
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The Keith Richard Diet is what I call that.
He can't get cancer or diseases because he kills them off.
Exactly.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:25 am to lsu480
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Killing yourself by smoking is idiotic,
says the braggart of how many drug fueled weekends he has.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:25 am to Rouge
I thought this was going to be a "cigarettes are trashy" thread.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:26 am to nes2010
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I thought this was going to be a "cigarettes are trashy" thread.
it is.. just worded differently
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:27 am to Cdawg
Drug fueled weekends >>>> standing out front in the cold puffing cigs
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:29 am to SuperSaint
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Drug fueled weekends >>>> standing out front in the cold puffing cigs
No doubt.
Ripping a couple gator tails during the weekend at 2 AM to keep the lights on is way better than being the guy chain smoking 2 packs of cigarettes that same weekend.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:39 am to Cdawg
Sorry for partying? 
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:46 am to efrad
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How is that the same?
Alcohol has health benefits in moderation.
Alcohol in excess is deadly.
There are more alcohol related deaths than tobacco related deaths every year fwiw.
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