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re: What would have happened if the Titanic hadn't turned?
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:40 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:40 am to WG_Dawg
It still would have sunk. The Titanic lacked water tight bulkheads that went all the way up so the water eventually flowed over the top. That resulted in the bow sinking and the stern rising out of the water and breaking the keel. Had it made a head on collision it would have been the same result. It might have even sunk faster.
The Titanic was billed as unsinkable, but in reality they cut so many corners it was a disaster waiting to happen. Cheap Steal, Bad rivets, insufficient water tight bulkheads, not enough lifeboats etc.
The Titanic was billed as unsinkable, but in reality they cut so many corners it was a disaster waiting to happen. Cheap Steal, Bad rivets, insufficient water tight bulkheads, not enough lifeboats etc.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:40 am to Phat Phil
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Phat Phil
Maybe if Fulmer was standing at the back of the boat it would've slowed it down enough to where it could've come to a complete stop before collision.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:41 am to tiger114
Killed people in the forward cabins but not sank. Thats what I always read. Or if it sank it would have been slow enough for rescue.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:41 am to WG_Dawg
I think a bunch of people would have been injured from the impact but don't believe it would have sunk. If I recall correctly, it wouldn't have sunk even as it did if the area affected would have been just 15 ft shorter. It would have stayed afloat if only 4 compartments filled with water.
Many think the iceberg took a gash out of the side but it did not. The impact caused rivets along a 250 ft long seam to pop out that created a 12 sqft total area of leakage. That 12 sqft area allowed water to pour in at a rate of a ton per second....more than the pumps could handle.
Plus, the bulkheads past compartment 2 only went to E deck. Had the bulkheads gone as high as in the first 2 compartments, it could have been contained in the first four compartments as that was the extent of the linear damage to the hull. (Ships built later were designed to have them the same height due to the disaster). It reached its tipping point, however, when the 5th compartment filled up and water went over the top of the bulkhead to the 6th.
At worst case, the 1st compartment would have filled up in a head on collision. Would have been a heck of a jolt for sure that required them to turn around for passenger safety purposes and emergency medical help but it wouldn't have sunk.
Many think the iceberg took a gash out of the side but it did not. The impact caused rivets along a 250 ft long seam to pop out that created a 12 sqft total area of leakage. That 12 sqft area allowed water to pour in at a rate of a ton per second....more than the pumps could handle.
Plus, the bulkheads past compartment 2 only went to E deck. Had the bulkheads gone as high as in the first 2 compartments, it could have been contained in the first four compartments as that was the extent of the linear damage to the hull. (Ships built later were designed to have them the same height due to the disaster). It reached its tipping point, however, when the 5th compartment filled up and water went over the top of the bulkhead to the 6th.
At worst case, the 1st compartment would have filled up in a head on collision. Would have been a heck of a jolt for sure that required them to turn around for passenger safety purposes and emergency medical help but it wouldn't have sunk.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:42 am to WG_Dawg
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six compartments flooded when, if it had only been four, the ship would not have sunk," wrote Richard Corfield,a Science Writer for Physics World.
What made the Titanic sink
I'm sure every Scientist/Physicist has their theory.
I guess it's possible that at least it wouldn't have sunk as fast which could have changed the outcome a little.They still didn't have enough lifeboats but maybe they could have saved more people with what they had.
This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 10:48 am
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:44 am to WG_Dawg
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I don't know how fast ships travel but something that big can't be going THAT fast. Would it basically just kinda stop, almost like a wind up toy car running into a wall?
Less people would have frozen to death or drowned b/c more people would have died from the collision.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:47 am to Navtiger1
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Navtiger1
nice, thanks.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:51 am to WG_Dawg
Actually, the first two compartments were watertight with bulkheads all the way to the top. The bulkheads from compartment 3 on went to E deck which was 10ft above the water line.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:54 am to OldHickory
Billy Zane would still be known for his amazing performance in The Phantom
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:02 am to WG_Dawg
I would say it all depends on the shape of the ice burg, would the seams stil pop due to substandard rivets, angle of impact and subsequent reaction of moving ship. I would bet there is a small likely hood of a direct T-Bone impact. Thus the same result with a glancing blow.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:19 am to WG_Dawg
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something that big can't be going THAT fast.
It was hauling arse (for something that size) because they wanted to show off it's speed and show up a day early in New York. Yes it was going that fast. That's part of the reason it sunk.
This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 11:22 am
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:27 am to tidalmouse
One of the things that always sends chills up my spine is that passengers reportedly saw another ship around 10 miles away (The California, I believe) and the ship would have been able to see the lights of the Titanic and flare's shooting up but they didn't do anything and kept going on their route.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:38 pm to WG_Dawg
It probably would have stayed afloat. Only one watertight compartment would have been breached, instead of multiple ones.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:41 pm to WG_Dawg
I remember some ship design expert saying that if it hit head on, it probably would not have sunk.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:45 pm to Navtiger1
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It still would have sunk. The Titanic lacked water tight bulkheads that went all the way up so the water eventually flowed over the top. That resulted in the bow sinking and the stern rising out of the water and breaking the keel. Had it made a head on collision it would have been the same result. It might have even sunk faster.
But with only one flooded compartment the pumps could have kept up.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:48 pm to OldHickory
I'm the king of the world!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:49 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I believe newtons third law would come into play on a direct hit. The titanic would have been hit back with as much pressure as it put on the iceberg. F= mass x acc. So a ship that heavy moving 20 knots would put a hella amount of pressure on the front. Thus causing the ship to crush like an accordian
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:52 pm to ToulatownTiger
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I believe newtons third law would come into play on a direct hit. The titanic would have been hit back with as much pressure as it put on the iceberg. F= mass x acc. So a ship that heavy moving 20 knots would put a hella amount of pressure on the front. Thus causing the ship to crush like an accordian
plenty of documentation of smaller ships and even subs ramming larger ships in WWII, and not sinking, hard to say what the mass of the berg was though, probably bigger then because of no global warming
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:52 pm to Jim Rockford
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But with only one flooded compartment the pumps could have kept up.
But one that’s assuming it only did damage in one compartment. And two that the structural issues with cheap steal and faulty rivets wouldn't have caused more damage with a full speed frontal impact.
I don't know what their speed was at impact, but i know they were chasing the Atlantic crossing speed record.
But you could be right i know some things about the Titanic, but i have not done any extensive study on it.
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