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re: What are your thoughts on mission trips?
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:23 pm to Grim
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:23 pm to Grim
There are advantages and disadvantages.
One advantage to it is that the mission trips often provide a lot of manpower to finish projects that is not available to the local pastor. Another advantage is all of the money that is spent by the short term team is good for the local economy. Also, some short-term mission trips become long-term ventures when a person is exposed to the culture and decides to spend more time there educating and meeting practical needs of the local populace.
One advantage to it is that the mission trips often provide a lot of manpower to finish projects that is not available to the local pastor. Another advantage is all of the money that is spent by the short term team is good for the local economy. Also, some short-term mission trips become long-term ventures when a person is exposed to the culture and decides to spend more time there educating and meeting practical needs of the local populace.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:27 pm to Grim
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This article- 7 reasons your 2 week trip to Haiti didn't matter has been making the rounds on facebook and a lot of people are up in arms about it.
I tend to agree that most of these people just go on them so they can feel better about themselves and post a bunch of pictures online
I think they have a good intent, but I really don't understand mission trips that don't provide any help in terms of physical need. For instance, people who go on mission trips to places with people in poor health, no clean water, and starving children who would rather start telling them about the bible and reading verses off and not address their physical immediate needs.
I understand that the "message" transcends the physical, but how much easier would it be for them to listen to you after you've quenched their physical needs?
I know of people who raise $70k for a year, to go on mission trips to the middle east. I understand it, but these people are coming from a highly divided world that has lots of versions of the religion they already follow. How do you expect them to turn to christianity from that? You dont bring them food, you dont bring them water, you dont bring them shelter. Why should they believe you if all you are going to do is talk to them? Prove it.
Thats my rant.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:36 pm to PrivatePublic
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The point of a missions trip isn't to win your approval. It's to share the gospel with those who have never heard it. That can be done by building, planting, healing, and/or preaching. Helping them in this world is good but secondary. Jesus died for the prince and pauper. If the gospel is not involved, it isn't a mission trip.
I prefer not to get into a philosophical debate, but couldn't that message be sent just as powerful by actions instead of words? I know everyone wants to stand on the pulpit whatever the context, but I think we stand on the pulpit far too many times before actually showing in actions the power of those words.
Its the classic bible study leader, who memorizes all the verses, speaks eloquently, can even give a small sermon, yet lives life like everyone else and indulges in the same vices as me and you without much thought except, "well everyone falls into it".
Ultimately it was just another moment to stand in front of everyone and be looked upon favorably.
I guess, the Pharisees. I get so annoyed by showmanship. I respect those who shut up and work the most. THEN will I listen.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:00 pm to tiggerthetooth
I agree with you that people who only preach hurt the cause. Christians need to earn the right to be heard. The Bible clearly teaches that action and words go together (James 2:14-26). Some people are all talk and no action. And some people are all action and yet they never mention Jesus. As Christians we are called to do both - tell others about Jesus and help meet people's needs.
This post was edited on 5/27/16 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:19 pm to Grim
I understand some of the points, especially medical vs non-medical. Yes, some of it is self-serving, but it does give you perspective to how great we have things here.
I did a medical mission trip a year ago in South America. Was only a week, but it was a hard week. I learned a lot and definitely recommend to others. Almost pulled out a day or 2 before we left because something came up, ended up not getting to enjoy the one day of fun they had.
We had a dentist, multiple interest, and me (surgeon), along with nurses and help staff. Along with medications to treat certain conditions, we brought eye glasses and shoes. I spent one day prepping the OR, and 3 days operating 16 hours each day.
We were lucky in that we had running water (but couldn't drink it), and an A/C that kept it at least 80 instead of 100. There was wifi, in 1 location, and it rarely ever worked.
I did a medical mission trip a year ago in South America. Was only a week, but it was a hard week. I learned a lot and definitely recommend to others. Almost pulled out a day or 2 before we left because something came up, ended up not getting to enjoy the one day of fun they had.
We had a dentist, multiple interest, and me (surgeon), along with nurses and help staff. Along with medications to treat certain conditions, we brought eye glasses and shoes. I spent one day prepping the OR, and 3 days operating 16 hours each day.
We were lucky in that we had running water (but couldn't drink it), and an A/C that kept it at least 80 instead of 100. There was wifi, in 1 location, and it rarely ever worked.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:19 pm to shreveport_gator
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It should be about meeting needs and sharing Jesus.
My mother is from Central America and, as a kid, she always thought it was funny how the Evangelicals would come down and try to convert all the Catholics to Christianity.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:21 pm to Grim
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What are your thoughts on mission trips?
They are a more productive use of time that sitting on facebook reading an article about them.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:24 pm to Grim
the great commission. Matthew 28.
What's to argue?
What's to argue?
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:26 pm to Grim
Went on one but paid my own way rather than asking for donations. Feel like the majority of people who go use it as a vacation that is paid for by relatives and friends.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:31 pm to Grim
I went on one and I stayed with the pastor and his family. He would get drunk and smoke weed every night and more often than not beat the hell out of his wife. I couldn't wait to get away from them.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:31 pm to Grim
Those trips are well-documented to typically cause more harm than good for the people that need the help.
I feel the same about mission trips to help "rebuild New Orleans."
I feel the same about mission trips to help "rebuild New Orleans."
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:33 pm to Grim
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most of these people just go on them so they can feel better about themselves and post a bunch of pictures online
If there's a need, they'd do far more good sending money to a reputable organization that would hire locals to build or do whatever needs doing.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:34 pm to Grim
They are basically recruiting trips.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:35 pm to Rouxtoot
Down voting bitch. Say something. Don't hide behind your arrows. Sometimes I feel like im in middle school when I log on. Puddy
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:37 pm to Jim Rockford
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If there's a need, they'd do far more good sending money to a reputable organization that would hire locals to build or do whatever needs doing.
Many do hire locals, non profits are generally shady
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:42 pm to Black n Gold
The Methodists are regretting theirs now. They recruited a bunch of Africans, and now the Africans have enough votes in their world congress to override the wishes of the Americans.
It's the Methodist version of I wish I had picked my own cotton.
It's the Methodist version of I wish I had picked my own cotton.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Two weeks on a medical trip to Tanzania can cost you $3,040, not including airfare, which is roughly $2,000. If six people go on this two week trip, that’s more than enough money to pay for a local doctor’s annual salary. Let that sink in.
This is part of mission trips I can never swallow. A college kid will raise $6k to paint a building in Africa for a week. You could hire a team of Mexicans to paint entire streets here in America for that amount.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:44 pm to Twenty 49
Same thing with the Anglicans. The African and Asian congregants are not down with a lot of the stuff coming out of Canterbury, like ordaining gay priests.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:56 pm to Grim
There is a much bigger problem than whether or not a mission trip was successful. The problem is that there is enough global production to feed everybody in the world. Greed consumes every civilized country. So I respect those willing to endure the heat, insects, and heartache, despite the outcome. What's worse is that armies are needed to protect the villages from guerilla thugs who use the available food to exploit the people in need. It will take a global coalition to solve the problem. Mercantilism really did Africa and Latin America in. Everything worthy was stripped and a handful of tyrants used European ingenuity to control the majority. So until we are able to come up with a better solution, I think mission trips, whether they're Baptist, Muslim, Catholic, or Mormon, are all admirable.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 12:03 am to Grim
I've been to Haiti twice...
Not sure how much good we did but it brought me closer to the country and people. As a result I've been a regular donor to various causes.
Selfishly, it gave me a whole new perspective on things.
Not sure how much good we did but it brought me closer to the country and people. As a result I've been a regular donor to various causes.
Selfishly, it gave me a whole new perspective on things.
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