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re: Vice Video: The New Wave of American Masculinity
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:53 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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Across the country, schools are policing and punishing the distinctive, assertive sociability of boys. Many much-loved games have vanished from school playgrounds. At some schools, tug of war has been replaced with “tug of peace.” Since the 1990s, elimination games like dodgeball, red rover and tag have been under a cloud — too damaging to self-esteem and too violent, say certain experts. Young boys, with few exceptions, love action narratives. These usually involve heroes, bad guys, rescues and shoot-ups. As boys’ play proceeds, plots become more elaborate and the boys more transfixed. When researchers ask boys why they do it, the standard reply is, “Because it’s fun.”
This might get a little slippery-slopish, but this type of shite will lead to dearth of innovative military strategists, among other things.
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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roughhousing" and other "male" activities have been regulated out of schools. the energy is seen either a sign of ADHD or aggression, so the male students get medicated or threatened with punishment if they act in their normal behavior. this leads to frustration or over-medication and it's leading to a lot of males "checking out" by puberty.
Said this in another thread. Without telling them, boys do boy things. Everything we teach now goes against human nature.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:56 am to ProjectP2294
quote:That is extremely slippery-slopish. How many kids play CoD, Battlefield, and other combat-oriented video games? A ton of them. They miss the physical component, but they still promote tactical thinking (if you're any good).
This might get a little slippery-slopish, but this type of shite will lead to dearth of innovative military strategists, among other things.
And I don't think that playing games like dodgeball or tug of war or Call of Duty is necessary to become an innovative military strategist. There are many ways to learn the kind of thinking that is required for military exploits.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 10:59 am
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:58 am to ProjectP2294
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but this type of shite will lead to dearth of innovative military strategists, among other things.
they learn it in other forms, such as video games
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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reading has become dominated by female-oriented literature. more fiction and more fiction geared to girls. there is a massive gender reading gap because of this
I know when I was growing up, reading books in your spare time was viewed as "nerdy" behavior, which was not viewed as masculine behavior
so blame this the anti intellectual views from the everyday, hard working masculine male
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"roughhousing" and other "male" activities have been regulated out of schools. the energy is seen either a sign of ADHD or aggression, so the male students get medicated or threatened with punishment if they act in their normal behavior. this leads to frustration or over-medication and it's leading to a lot of males "checking out" by puberty.
can they not still play at home?
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:03 am to Hog on the Hill
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That is extremely slippery-slopish. How many kids play CoD, Battlefield, and other combat-oriented video games? A ton of them. They miss the physical component, but they still promote tactical thinking (if you're any good).
And I don't think that playing games like dodgeball or tug of war or Call of Duty is necessary to become an innovative military strategist. There are many ways to learn the kind of thinking that is required for military exploits
If anything, CoD and similar games give a totally fictitious and unrealistic view of war fighting to young men today. The danger is they think they know about war fighting from these games while I'm truth they don't.
A great example I can think of is the popular notion on the OT that drones would be an effective weapon all on their own at stopping a Russian combined arms attack against Central Europe.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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Across the country, schools are policing and punishing the distinctive, assertive sociability of boys. Many much-loved games have vanished from school playgrounds. At some schools, tug of war has been replaced with “tug of peace.” Since the 1990s, elimination games like dodgeball, red rover and tag have been under a cloud — too damaging to self-esteem and too violent, say certain experts. Young boys, with few exceptions, love action narratives.
Middle school started at 9:30. Parents would have to be at work earlier than that.
Mom would drop me off at school early. A few of the male teachers would do intramurals in the mornings for kids who needed to be dropped off early.
Had this version of dodgeball we played every morning before school. Not only are we socializing, but we are getting physical activity.
Fast forward til I'm about to leave for college. I'm helping my mom make extra money by helping her with summer camp at her school. We did a lil sports camp. I couldn't believe how much I had to teach these kids. None of them ever played baseball, kickball, whiffle, anything that you had to run around the bases. My mom just said they don't really do all that stuff in PE anymore.
We coddle these kids too much and aren't letting them be kids.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:08 am to Salmon
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so blame this the anti intellectual views from the everyday, hard working masculine male
why were boys so much more advanced at reading in the "old world" view where they were seen as nerdy for reading?
they've been socialized to see reading as not being "nerdy" and are falling behind
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can they not still play at home?
well i imagine that in the areas where this policy is that severe, the regular folks are going to have the same values
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:10 am to dgnx6
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Had this version of dodgeball we played every morning before school. Not only are we socializing, but we are getting physical activity.
So you were better behaved when the school day started because the excess energy was done with. What a novel concept. We don't need recess anymore, we've got pill for that.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:11 am to Salmon
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know when I was growing up, reading books in your spare time was viewed as "nerdy" behavior, which was not viewed as masculine behavior
so blame this the anti intellectual views from the everyday, hard working masculine male
My school did programs. Log so many hours, get braves tickets. Log the most hours in your class by end of school year, free tickets to six flags.
Sorry but going to six flags and braves games isn't nerdy.
Find ways to get the kids engaged. Stop turning them into drugged up robots.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 11:12 am
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:11 am to Hog on the Hill
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I know a lot of young professionals in NYC who agree with social justice causes
Social justice is a misnomer. It's social engineering at it's worst.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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they've been socialized to see reading as not being "nerdy" and are falling behind
white middle class males are falling behind?
or are we lumping all males together? because it seems its mostly minorities that are falling behind because they probably still hold onto the "old world" views
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well i imagine that in the areas where this policy is that severe, the regular folks are going to have the same values
doubt its majority
the schools enact these policies to protect themselves against liability from the vocal minority
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:14 am to Hog on the Hill
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I know a lot of young professionals in NYC who agree with social justice causes.
Can you explain more fully? Do you mean that they openly and vocally support without prompting? If so, for what causes, specifically? Maybe it's because I'm in a different age/work bracket, but I can't say that I know too many men here who do.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:15 am to ProjectP2294
Exactly, middle school, puberty. Lots of energy.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:18 am to Darth_Vader
quote:And yet somehow playing tug of war and dodgeball gives you a better idea. Yeah right
If anything, CoD and similar games give a totally fictitious and unrealistic view of war fighting to young men today. The danger is they think they know about war fighting from these games while I'm truth they don't.
A great example I can think of is the popular notion on the OT that drones would be an effective weapon all on their own at stopping a Russian combined arms attack against Central Europe.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:19 am to Salmon
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white middle class males are falling behind?
Yes.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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slumber party in the woods
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:20 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:So is church, school, Boy Scouts, etc. Social engineering gets thrown around like a bad word, but we are all subject do it, we all engage in it, and we all endorse one type of it or another, unless we are hermits.
Social justice is a misnomer. It's social engineering at it's worst.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:22 am to Mo Jeaux
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Yes.
I need evidence.
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