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re: Time to shelve that POS F-35...it can't run on warm gas from a truck.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:51 pm to Spaceman Spiff
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:51 pm to Spaceman Spiff
They fueled 71s with fuel trucks?
This sounds like a made up problem. Why complain about it? Boeing and Lockmart make fighter jets, and they go through legit contract milestone competitions to get these contracts...is there an alternative? We going to let Space X build a fighter plane?
This sounds like a made up problem. Why complain about it? Boeing and Lockmart make fighter jets, and they go through legit contract milestone competitions to get these contracts...is there an alternative? We going to let Space X build a fighter plane?
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 10:08 pm
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:58 pm to meeple
The 22 is far superior to the 35.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 10:11 pm to Drew Orleans
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The 22 is far superior to the 35.
Apple, meet orange.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 10:18 pm to Spaceman Spiff
Maybe they could find out how the Chinese handled the problem with their F-35 knockoff.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 10:23 pm to flyingtexastiger
True but the 35 was pushed as a cheaper option.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 10:48 pm to Drew Orleans
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True but the 35 was pushed as a cheaper option.
Well, yeah. But does that make it a POS?
Posted on 12/9/14 at 10:55 pm to meeple
The inability to check your 6, single engine, can't turn, can't extend, vertical takeoff and blocky design limit it, can't climb, fully loaded compromises stealth...
It's gonna be a force in its mission once the bugs are worked out but it's an expensive pain in the arse for the time being.
It's gonna be a force in its mission once the bugs are worked out but it's an expensive pain in the arse for the time being.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 11:18 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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How is it that the venerable SR-71, who got hotter than any fuel truck ever could, never had a problem with hot fuel?
Comparing a spy plane to a figther bomber is kinda silly. I doubt the SR-71 ever took off from anywhere but the US and it was from a Air Force Base that I'm sure had some average degree fuel. Plus the SR-71 flew at much higher altitudes where it was colder... it also leaked fuel all over the fricking runway because it's containers didn't seal fully until it was heated up and at high speeds.
The f-35 will have to fly out of deserts at low altitudes and probably doesn't leak fuel...
Just build some refrigerated gas trucks, cheap fix IMO.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 11:22 pm to meeple
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Well, yeah. But does that make it a POS?
No. What makes it a POS is the fact that nearly every modern fighter currently flying can out maneuver it, outrun it, and overall out perform it.
Its wings are too small which don't provide the necessary lift to pull a tight turn and survive dogfights. Lockheed's claim of this being a stealth aircraft is a sham. It has a too large of a radar cross section for being a fifth generation fighter/attack aircraft.
If our air force/navy/marines went to war right now with nothing but F-35's against a smaller country with an air force flying 1970-80's era delta winged Mirages or Migs/Sukhois, our guys would be in a world of hurt.
I'm not the only one who thinks this either. Pierre Sprey, the creator of the F-16 and A-10 aircraft, stated this aircraft "would never survive in air to air combat."
Every aircraft manufactured in the modern era have had their initial and costly faults. (F-14, F-22, V-22 are just a few that come to mind) Each aircraft however, has eventually turned into an invaluable asset over time. This aircraft however, will never amount to the greatness previous aircraft have achieved (F-14/15/16/18).
Instead of wasting taxpayer dollars on this pit, our government should have upgraded/refurbished our existing fleet. Lockheed and Boeing are still cranking out brand new examples of 30+ year design aircraft and selling them as exports (F-16s to UAE and Saudi Arabia, F-15s to South Korea, and Israel, and F-18s to Australia, Canada, and Scandinavian countries). Why can't our government allocate the proper resources to upgrade our existing fleet of fighters or purchase new examples of existing designs?
Pierre Sprey talks about the F-35's shortcomings.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 11:25 pm to Hillborn 22
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No. What makes it a POS is the fact that nearly every modern fighter currently flying can out maneuver it, outrun it, and overall out perform it.
Its wings are too small which don't provide the necessary lift to pull a tight turn and survive dogfights. Lockheed's claim of this being a stealth aircraft is a sham. It has a too large of a radar cross section for being a fifth generation fighter/attack aircraft.
If our air force/navy/marines went to war right now with nothing but F-35's against a smaller country with an air force flying 1970-80's era delta winged Mirages or Migs/Sukhois, our guys would be in a world of hurt.
These are more of the types of things to call it a POS for. Haven't really kept up with F-35... but if true... then it's a POS, but not cause it has hot fuel issues.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 11:32 pm to NATidefan
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These are more of the types of things to call it a POS for. Haven't really kept up with F-35... but if true... then it's a POS, but not cause it has hot fuel issues.
Honestly, the only branch of our military that would benefit from having the F-35 is the Marine Corps. Our current inventory of AV-8B's is aging rapidly and two years ago we purchased the UK's entire fleet of AV-8's to keep the type relevant in the short term.
Overall, the F-35 would be an upgrade over the AV-8. It flies faster, further, with roughly the same turning radius (AV-8 is solely a close air support aircraft), has a slightly improved payload capability, and consumes less fuel while being able to retain the VTOL/STOL capability the AV-8 has.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 12/10/14 at 12:04 am to Spaceman Spiff
That's because the SR71 had special fuel made for it you lackwit. Look it up.
Oh, and the SR71 also leaked fuel sitting on the runway before flight. That was part of its design.
Oh, and the SR71 also leaked fuel sitting on the runway before flight. That was part of its design.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 12:08 am to Spaceman Spiff
The public really has no idea how big of a shitshow the f35 has become.
It is hilariously bad.
It is hilariously bad.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 12:09 am to Spaceman Spiff
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..even that bad arse of bad asses SR-71 and it's special fuel had no issues.
actually there were a lot of issues with the Sr-71 and it's needs.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 2:05 am to Napoleon
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..even that bad arse of bad asses SR-71 and it's special fuel had no issues.
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actually there were a lot of issues with the Sr-71 and it's needs.
Which is why the government couldn't afford to keep it flying. Satellite technology was also a contributing factor in the Blackbird's demise.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 2:56 am to Spaceman Spiff
Meh the Chinese stole it and will frick it up even worse.
But the pos F-35 is a money pit.
But the pos F-35 is a money pit.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 2:58 am to flyingtexastiger
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Apple, meet orange.
The F-35 is good at nothing right now.
Each service wanting their special one doesn't help.
This thing won't be replacing the A-10 for a long time now.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 2:59 am to justlookin
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Maybe they could find out how the Chinese handled the problem with their F-35 knockoff.
theirs is a twin engine but it sucks
they are so far behind it will never be a real factor in the air.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 6:05 am to Spaceman Spiff
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it looks like this plane won't be operating in hot environs
You didn't read the article. Fortunately, I did. The article notes that the problem is solved fairly easily by just painting the fuel trucks white so that the Sun doesn't heat up the fuel so much.
The article also points out that tactically it probably isn't a good idea to drive visible white fuel trucks around, but I'd argue that if you have bad guys in a position to do something about it you have bigger problems anyway.
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