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re: The Rise of the $$Five-Figure Bicycle
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:12 pm to CAD703X
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:12 pm to CAD703X
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but if you wanted to compete in races you'd quickly realize that isn't going to cut it unless you like riding 49 miles out of a 50 mile race solo.
so you're telling em the bike matters more than the rider?
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Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:13 pm to Golfer
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Most serious golfers spend $500-1000.
My range for a bike...or kayak.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:14 pm to CptBengal
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so you're telling em the bike matters more than the rider?
i'm telling you a $500 bike is going to slow you down..its not designed for 20+ mph racing not matter how fit you are.
now if lance armstrong was riding your $500 bike..yes, he'd probably do just fine in an amateur bike race but he wouldn't win the TdF on it.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:17 pm to CAD703X
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i'm telling you a $500 bike is going to slow you down..its not designed for 20+ mph racing not matter how fit you are.
of course not.
But is there a difference between a 2k bike and a 10 k bike?
Of course not. In fact, numerous studies both formally and informally done by riders all over the world have shown that at that point you arent any faster.
Sorry.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:26 pm to CptBengal
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of course not.
But is there a difference between a 2k bike and a 10 k bike?
Of course not. In fact, numerous studies both formally and informally done by riders all over the world have shown that at that point you arent any faster.
Sorry.
what?
that makes no sense whatsoever. there is no fictitious '2k' bike or '10k' bike. you have not provided any details whatsoever.
what is your 2k bike? carbon or aluminum? what kind of wheels? what is the weight? component group? racing flat roads or mountains? cobbles or pavement? on road or off?
you obviously don't race because there are a zillion factors at work here to determine what bike performs better for the job.
a bike is not something you stamp out of a mold..every last component from the material and shape of the wheels to the geometry of the frame serve a purpose and one bike may be suited for a sprinters stage and a completely different bike is used for mountain stages.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:28 pm to CptBengal
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But is there a difference between a 2k bike and a 10 k bike?
Of course not. In fact, numerous studies both formally and informally done by riders all over the world have shown that at that point you arent any faster.
a 10k bike will typically be more aerodynamic and eliminate drag. a cheaper, less aerodynamic bike will see more of the wind and not be as fast at the same effort. so yes, in that case the more expensive bike would be "faster" at the same power output of a rider on the cheaper bike.
the same is true of a lighter weight bike going uphill vs. a heavier bike at the same power output.
that being said, a 2k bike isn't going to handicap a strong racer, even against 10k bikes.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:32 pm to Bunsbert Montcroff
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that being said, a 2k bike isn't going to handicap a strong racer, even against 10k bikes.
a time trial/tri bike is designed to put the rider in an aero position, turn poorly and not work when riding in a peloton.
this is why you dont see riders using this type of bike except on TT days at the TdF.
that bike is much much *MUCH* faster than a regular "looking" road bike but you will never find a rider using this on a normal day in the peloton.
so to answer your question, even a 'faster' bike isn't always the correct bike to ride on a given day depending on what the race calls for.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:32 pm to CAD703X
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. there is no fictitious '2k' bike or '10k' bike. you have not provided any details whatsoever.
here we go tech buddy. Whether Im using carbon frame or TI, etc. quote:
you obviously don't race because there are a zillion factors at work here to determine what bike performs better for the job.
If you take a mid-tier Trek right out of an LBS, with mid-tier components, wheels etc...
It will perform with the same rider, to statistically the same result as a 10k bike.
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a bike is not something you stamp out of a mold..every last component from the material and shape of the wheels to the geometry of the frame serve a purpose and one bike may be suited for a sprinters stage and a completely different bike is used for mountain stages.
so now we're talking Tours? instead of a single road race, you want to talk about multi-day tours of varying terrain and sponsors? You're a clown little biker boy. The fact remains that is you took a cervelo P5 or a cervelo p2 in a time trial, the same rider will be nearly the same. The ONLY people those small differences in time matter for are people who literally cant push the fitness any further.
The likelihood that you're in that group, is zero.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:34 pm to Bunsbert Montcroff
I have spent a total of about $450 on both a bicycle and golf clubs
I enjoy both but would never consider spending THAT kind of money for either. However, I can see why people with lots of money would do so. No big deal.
I enjoy both but would never consider spending THAT kind of money for either. However, I can see why people with lots of money would do so. No big deal.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:34 pm to CptBengal
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If you take a mid-tier Trek right out of an LBS, with mid-tier components, wheels etc...
It will perform with the same rider, to statistically the same result as a 10k bike.
not even close. a 5-10 mile climb and a rider on a 10k bike that lets say only weighs 1-2lbs less than a 4k bike will gain a minute or more on other competitors.
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instead of a single road race, you want to talk about multi-day tours of varying terrain and sponsors?
90% of amateur stage races like the one in pensacola this weekend include a TIME TRIAL, ROAD RACE and a CRITERIUM.
i have been known to bring 3 bikes with me for an omnium as each serves a distinct purpose.
time trial bike - obvious. you can't be remotely competitive in a TT without a true TT bike and helmet.
road bike - good all around bike to ride in a group for several hours
crit bike - my shite bike
that i ride in crits because everyone fricking crashes and i don't want to mess up my good bike.This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:36 pm to tigerpawl
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I don't get it...
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For a handful of his customers, Mr. Cox says, "there is no ceiling."
He's talking about multi-millionaires who don't blink an eye at a five figure price tag.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:38 pm to CAD703X
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i have been known to bring 3 bikes with me for an omnium as each serves a distinct purpose.
way to miss the point. Again, studies have shown that differences in price for the SAME TYPE OF BIKE have not been shown to have a statistical effect on the riders time with similar output.
THE ONLY PLACES where that result becoems somewhat apparent is at the top end of the fitness scale for riders.
Are you at the top end of the scale? Because you gave an example of a few seconds earlier in the thread...which on a tour stage is a joke to claim is on "tech".
Look, you like spending more on bikes, thats great! But dont lie to other posters and tell them that it makes you faster. You approach the speed asymptote from increasing gear very quickly after spending about 2k for a complete road bike.
for 99% of the people out there, working on your fitness is far more important in dropping time than a new set of wheels.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:39 pm to tigerpawl
I love mine. Put about 5,000-7,000mi/year on mine, maintenance is cheap, looks fast, and it's got a great engine 
It's my hobby and sport.
It's my hobby and sport.Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:40 pm to CAD703X
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time trial bike - obvious. you can't be remotely competitive in a TT without a true TT bike and helmet.
But would you post significantly faster times on a P5 as to say a P2?
no, you wouldnt. Most people wouldnt.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:44 pm to CptBengal
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Because you gave an example of a few seconds earlier in the thread
i did the state time trial here in TN a couple years ago and after 58 minutes of riding as hard as i could for 25 miles the person in 5th place ahead of me beat me by 1/10 of a second.
most time trials see the top 5-10 results within a 5-10 second range. some people strive to WIN and its worth a few thousand more to them to buy a few additional seconds.
to others, that seems vain, but then so is trying for a sub 70 score in golf.
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But dont lie to other posters and tell them that it makes you faster.
wait what? the discussion was about the person riding a $500 bike being competitive in an actual race.
then someone else said a 2k bike is the same as a 10k bike.
both false statements.
there are alot of things that make a bike suited for an activity that don't have to do with how fast the bike is.
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:47 pm to CptBengal
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But would you post significantly faster times on a P5 as to say a P2?
no, you wouldnt. Most people wouldnt.
you would be dead wrong
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So 4.5 minutes in an Ironman at worst, 6 min at best. That is some serious savings, but we're talking about ~$1000 per minute over an IM.
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:47 pm to CptBengal
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But would you post significantly faster times on a P5 as to say a P2?
cervelo says you can save 100 grams of drag on a p5 vs a p2. which is about 30 seconds over a 40k time trial.
i've missed podiums over 30 seconds.
in practice though, i'll be working on the engine rather than buying a p5 :)
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:48 pm to Bunsbert Montcroff
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cervelo
interesting we're using their name to be discussing given they virtually invented the aero-road bike category in the last 5-10 years.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:49 pm to Bunsbert Montcroff
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which is about 30 seconds over a 40k time trial.
30 seconds less would have put me on the podium vs 6th place in the state TT i was in.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:50 pm to CptBengal
I agree with you. Unless you're at the tip top point of the athletic peak, it's making tiny differences beyond $2,500. I remember I started off on a road bike for triathlons and through continual training I was able to go from back of pack to nearly front of pack. I was passing guys decked out in TT helmets, discs, $10,000+ bikes. Now that I have my own TT bike I pray that I never get passed by someone on a road bike during a triathlon. The TYPE of bike makes a difference, but 90% is your engine. Within those types of bikes, you're going to see seconds of differences for every $1,000's you spend. And then it becomes an equation of... Do I really want to spend thousands to gain seconds at a local race? Or am I going to wreck the field with quadzilla legs?
The TYPE of bike makes a difference, but 90% is your engine. Within those types of bikes, you're going to see seconds of differences for every $1,000's you spend. And then it becomes an equation of... Do I really want to spend thousands to gain seconds at a local race? Or am I going to wreck the field with quadzilla legs?
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