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re: The real fundamental underlying issue in our country is Education
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:45 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:45 am to Chad504boy
It's divorce and or children born of wedlock. That is the root cause.
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Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:46 am to Tiger Ryno
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It's divorce and or children born of wedlock.
ah, strange pussy, the cause of all the evil in the world going back to eve.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:49 am to Chad504boy
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frick, give their parents more welfare money based on their children's grades.
Maybe based on attendance.
There are just stupid kids though
I could get behind this welfare boost based on attendance if we also agree to stop giving extra welfare for 2nd child and beyond. We’d come out ahead.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:51 am to Tiger Ryno
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It's divorce
No. Divorces mean there are two parents present. The issue is 1 or no parents present.
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children born of wedlock
Yes, somewhat.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:52 am to OysterPoBoy
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Everyone has access to education. Most just don't give a shite. I don't know how you change that.
Bingo. And those that say no are the same ones using it as a crutch. Starts at home.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:53 am to tylercsbn9
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This shitty public schools is an inner city thing.
And it will likely always be so.
The "good teacher with the heart of gold that wins over the hearts and minds of inner city youth" that's been a Hollywood staple for decades? It's a myth.
Teachers that are worth a damn won't go near inner city schools because they know they won't get the support they need from home. Thus, the inner city schools get stuck with the dregs of the educational system...glorified babysitters, as it were. And often damn poor babysitters, at that.
It's a vicious cycle which, alas, I don't see ending.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:55 am to Chad504boy
I agree but let us keep in mind evil will live on. Ted Kaczynski was a mathematical genius who went to Harvard.
Edication can produce a smarter populace, but nothing will eradicate violence
Edication can produce a smarter populace, but nothing will eradicate violence
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:57 am to Chad504boy
OP is full of stupidity and ignorance, ironically. Do Aborigines act like inner city thugs? Lack of morals and decency is the real issue.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:58 am to Chad504boy
Education has been moving towards a means to an economic end. Standardized testing and nationalized standards are destroying our ability to teach and assess student creativity.
It pushes our youth to believe in binaries, black and white answers to black and white questions. You are either wrong or you are right. If you are wrong, there will be immediate and dire consequences.
It pushes our youth to believe in binaries, black and white answers to black and white questions. You are either wrong or you are right. If you are wrong, there will be immediate and dire consequences.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:00 am to OysterPoBoy
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Everyone has access to education. Most just don't give a shite. I don't know how you change that.
This. Access isn't the issue, it's the mindset of the individual and the culture they grow up in.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:01 am to Chad504boy
breakdown of the inner city families has eroded education to the point of beyond repair
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:03 am to Chad504boy
If I could up vote this a 1000 times, I would.
If they would fund education like they do countries that don't see serve US aid and make teachers some of the highest paying fields in the country, things would change. Look at countries with the josh heat education scores, and look at what kind of society thrives there....
If they would fund education like they do countries that don't see serve US aid and make teachers some of the highest paying fields in the country, things would change. Look at countries with the josh heat education scores, and look at what kind of society thrives there....
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:05 am to SabiDojo
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Ted Kaczynski was a mathematical genius who went to Harvard.
Edication can produce a smarter populace, but nothing will eradicate violence
Any excuse to post a gif from this awesome movie
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:06 am to kywildcatfanone
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Access isn't the issue, it's the mindset of the individual and the culture they grow up in.
Well not just that. That's part of it, sure. But their culture sees no need to participate in the institution of high stakes testing on very specific and niche standards. There's no reward for what they're actually good at.
I think that's where we need to start over. Ask the struggling communities to succeed in what they know then build them up to the standards we'd like for them to meet. Instead we're criticizing them for not seeing the value in reading complex texts, knowing standardized English, and applying basic math skills. To them, those are useless goals to have mostly because all those goals do is remind them of their failures.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:07 am to Chad504boy
Schools need to be funded better. However, no one is willing to pay for it.
The most extreme way we'd be able to afford to fix a lot of these schools is to get rid of private schools and force well off people to put money into public schools.
That's not happening so if people are serious about fixing schools, don't vote down taxes to better fund them.
The most extreme way we'd be able to afford to fix a lot of these schools is to get rid of private schools and force well off people to put money into public schools.
That's not happening so if people are serious about fixing schools, don't vote down taxes to better fund them.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:14 am to Chad504boy
No it's not. Education is just a symptom. The fundamental issue is our insane entitlement system which makes fathers and work unnecessary and creates all kinds of other horrible consequences stemming from these two facts.
Our educational system is pretty mediocre. The curriculum clearly needs a reboot to focus on skills which people graduate sorely needing. Do we really need to spend 6 years of English learning how to analyze poems yet not one day about learning how to file our taxes? However, no matter how much one tweeks the curriculum or the teaching method, nothing will make a difference if we have to teach children who have no interest in learning.
Why don't they want to learn? Their parents don't value education because education is worthless to them. This may sound harsh, but it is true. For those who subsist off of entitlements, education is worthless. It produces no value what so ever.
Why do people study hard in high school? They generally do so to get into college or trade school. Why do they do that? To get a good job. Why do they want a good job? To support themselves and a family. Well, entitlement programs allow them to support themselves and the family without a job. With this need filled, there is no motivation to go to school at all. Schooling literally produces no enhanced outcomes.
Our entitlement system is designed in such a way that it is advantageous for people not to be married. They take in more with separate households than if they were together. They are also paid more for each child they have out of wedlock. This rewards having as many children out of wedlock as possible.
However, our entitlement system also is structured in two other harmful ways:
1. It pays more than having an entry level job. It is simply more economically advantageous to abuse entitlement programs than to work entry level jobs. Going to work with a good attitude and work ethic will allow one to likely eventually get promoted to the point that they come out ahead, but that point is often years in the future. In the short term, abusing entitlements is the smart choice.
2. If one tries to use entitlements to get by until getting a job, they lose EVERYTHING. Getting the job cuts off several benefits by itself. Once one has above a certain amount in their checking account, they lose all of their benefits AND all of the money they saved in their account! This serves as a tremendous deterrent for getting off the system or saving up to get out of the ghetto. They are literally trapped by the system.
Because getting a job is not a very good option, they have to get disposable income somehow. The War on Drugs creates a massive black market to meet the demand for narcotics. The only way for one to have disposable income without triggering the loss of all of their benefits is to get it via working in the black market economy. Selling drugs is the most convenient way to earn any extra spending money. The War on Drugs ensures, however, that those engaging in that market often wind up incarcerated. It's a double-edged sword.
Basically, The War on Drugs and our f&%ked up entitlement system are the real fundamental underlying issues in our country. Education is just a symptom of the disease.
Our educational system is pretty mediocre. The curriculum clearly needs a reboot to focus on skills which people graduate sorely needing. Do we really need to spend 6 years of English learning how to analyze poems yet not one day about learning how to file our taxes? However, no matter how much one tweeks the curriculum or the teaching method, nothing will make a difference if we have to teach children who have no interest in learning.
Why don't they want to learn? Their parents don't value education because education is worthless to them. This may sound harsh, but it is true. For those who subsist off of entitlements, education is worthless. It produces no value what so ever.
Why do people study hard in high school? They generally do so to get into college or trade school. Why do they do that? To get a good job. Why do they want a good job? To support themselves and a family. Well, entitlement programs allow them to support themselves and the family without a job. With this need filled, there is no motivation to go to school at all. Schooling literally produces no enhanced outcomes.
Our entitlement system is designed in such a way that it is advantageous for people not to be married. They take in more with separate households than if they were together. They are also paid more for each child they have out of wedlock. This rewards having as many children out of wedlock as possible.
However, our entitlement system also is structured in two other harmful ways:
1. It pays more than having an entry level job. It is simply more economically advantageous to abuse entitlement programs than to work entry level jobs. Going to work with a good attitude and work ethic will allow one to likely eventually get promoted to the point that they come out ahead, but that point is often years in the future. In the short term, abusing entitlements is the smart choice.
2. If one tries to use entitlements to get by until getting a job, they lose EVERYTHING. Getting the job cuts off several benefits by itself. Once one has above a certain amount in their checking account, they lose all of their benefits AND all of the money they saved in their account! This serves as a tremendous deterrent for getting off the system or saving up to get out of the ghetto. They are literally trapped by the system.
Because getting a job is not a very good option, they have to get disposable income somehow. The War on Drugs creates a massive black market to meet the demand for narcotics. The only way for one to have disposable income without triggering the loss of all of their benefits is to get it via working in the black market economy. Selling drugs is the most convenient way to earn any extra spending money. The War on Drugs ensures, however, that those engaging in that market often wind up incarcerated. It's a double-edged sword.
Basically, The War on Drugs and our f&%ked up entitlement system are the real fundamental underlying issues in our country. Education is just a symptom of the disease.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:15 am to Prominentwon
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If they would fund education like they do countries that don't see serve US aid and make teachers some of the highest paying fields in the country, things would change.
The US out spends other countries in education. We average $10k a kid, South Korea $5k. Public Schools trumpeted a study years ago showing that students attending public and private school from the same socio-economic background fared the same. The problem was the private school spent thousands less.
You could have Isaac Newton teaching math and physics at any inner city school and the students still wouldn't be competitve. Money isn't the problem but a deviant culture that see schools as a day care center.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:16 am to kingbob
quote:formed all originated from lack of real education hope for these kids that have been for generations. Your roots still date back to educational failures.
the disease.
This post was edited on 7/14/16 at 10:19 am
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:20 am to Chad504boy
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formed all originated from lack of real education hope for these kids that have been for generations. You're roots still date back to educational failures.
Why would they need an education if they don't intend on ever holding a job? A job is not needed, so why would they want one? An education is needed for a job, but if one doesn't need a job, why would they need education?
Explain why education is valuable to someone who lives exclusively off of the government. It's simple, it's not. It's just daycare for people who don't want to be there.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:23 am to kingbob
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Why would they need an education if they don't intend on ever holding a job? A job is not needed, so why would they want one? An education is needed for a job, but if one doesn't need a job, why would they need education?
their past has shaped who they now are. part of why they are what they are is dating back to their lack of education due to their lack of parents having their lack of education. Its all cyclical. Yes parents now don't give a shite bout their kids education,... but what's caused that?
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