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re: The more you know about EV the more you wonder if we were really ready for this change.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:39 am to billjamin
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:39 am to billjamin
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Complains about not adding substance, then adds a post with no substance.
I'm not bitching about a topic that hurts my little sensitivities. I like the topic in the OP.
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Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:43 am to Paddyshack
quote:How was I bitching? I was making fun of the OP for posting something that gets discussed here over and over.
I'm not bitching about a topic that hurts my little sensitivities.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:43 am to Tomatocantender
Do you have anywhere where I can read more about that?
Didn't realize solar panels couldn't charge EVs..
Didn't realize solar panels couldn't charge EVs..
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:48 am to winkchance
Taxes were higher than the labor... 
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 9:51 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:51 am to billjamin
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How was I bitching? I was making fun of the OP for posting something that gets discussed here over and over.
So nothing of substance, thanks for confirming.
It's a relevant topic considering what is happening in California right this very second, and the recent pledge to rid of all gas powered vehicles by 2035. Try to keep up.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:52 am to WITNESS23
quote:That's not true you can. I have a DC charger from one of my inverters that will charge as fast as a level 2 AC charger. You can't do it with a couple modules, but if you have a decent system you absolutely can. And if you have the rights inverter, you can avoid the conversion losses.
Didn't realize solar panels couldn't charge EVs..
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:53 am to beerJeep
Driving your own personal vehicle will be only reserved for the well to do.
The rest of y’all can take public transportation.
The earth has a fever and we must all suffer for the good of society.
The rest of y’all can take public transportation.
The earth has a fever and we must all suffer for the good of society.
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I just wanna know how the poor folk who drive a 90s Camry is gonna be able to afford a new EV
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 10:34 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:54 am to winkchance
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The more you know about EV the more you wonder if we were really ready for this change.
That is really the core issue.
-We simply do not have the grid capacity for adding so many EVs at this time (and likely not for another decade or two, at least).
-EVs run $10k+ more than their ICE equivalents. To go with this point, there is almost no inventory of EVs in the used market (and those that are there are generally as much, or more than, a new ICE equivalent).
-The main component is the battery and that alone can cost 50% of the vehicle's original sale price. Replacing a faulty one is simply not cost effective.
-They have shite mileage when carrying any sort of load. Most often, the listed mileage range is in ideal conditions and deviations from that quickly escalate in killing your mileage range.
-EVs are made with rare earth metals, which the US doesn't not have much of. For just Biden's push for 50% of all vehicles sold by 2030 to be EVs, we would need 10x the amount of rare earth metals we have. LINK
-Recharge times are far longer than gasoline re-fill times.
-We don't have the production capacity yet. The current US EV production capacity is around 750k/yr while total vehicle production is around 9M/yr.
These are all issues which need to be fixed BEFORE mass adoption will take place, thus the problem with their trying to force it on people.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:55 am to Paddyshack
quote:You continue to cry then add no substance yourself. You snowflakes melt so easy.
So nothing of substance, thanks for confirming.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:55 am to White Bear
Completely agree, at the end of the day this all about increasing the wealth of a few and gaining additional power over the masses.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:57 am to Bard
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That is really the core issue.
-We simply do not have the grid capacity for adding so many EVs at this time (and likely not for another decade or two, at least).
-EVs run $10k+ more than their ICE equivalents. To go with this point, there is almost no inventory of EVs in the used market (and those that are there are generally as much, or more than, a new ICE equivalent).
-The main component is the battery and that alone can cost 50% of the vehicle's original sale price. Replacing a faulty one is simply not cost effective.
-They have shite mileage when carrying any sort of load. Most often, the listed mileage range is in ideal conditions and deviations from that quickly escalate in killing your mileage range.
-EVs are made with rare earth metals, which the US doesn't not have much of. For just Biden's push for 50% of all vehicles sold by 2030 to be EVs, we would need 10x the amount of rare earth metals we have. LINK
-Recharge times are far longer than gasoline re-fill times.
-We don't have the production capacity yet. The current US EV production capacity is around 750k/yr while total vehicle production is around 9M/yr.
These are all issues which need to be fixed BEFORE mass adoption will take place, thus the problem with their trying to force it on people.
My big concern is where the hell the materials used in the batteries are being sourced from. I don't want to be dependent on supply from far outside of the US, China, or Mexico.
The expensive materials in them are sourced from countries that aren't known for being very industrious and often don't like us very much. And China is of course trying to corner that market too.
So...we need to come up with a creative way to recycle these things, and design them in a way that they can be repaired easily and quickly. And of course it also has to be cheap and reliable.
And we need a vastly expanded electric grid with a massively larger fast charging network.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 9:59 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:57 am to billjamin
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You snowflakes melt so easy.
About as easy as all the dumbasses in CA who are being told to keep their A/C above 78 and not charge their EVs amid a 110 degree heat wave.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:04 am to beerJeep
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I just wanna know how the poor folk who drive a 90s Camry is gonna be able to afford a new EV and then afford to have a home charger installed at their rental home/apartment
as someone who lived in new orleans for several years i laugh at the white liberals there pushing this.
Im like have you even looked around this city?
I mean my old black neighbor had a beat up pick up and hed go around and get used washer and driers and fix them up. you going to force that man into a nissan leaf and frick up his business?
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 10:05 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:05 am to billjamin
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That's not true you can. I have a DC charger from one of my inverters that will charge as fast as a level 2 AC charger. You can't do it with a couple modules, but if you have a decent system you absolutely can. And if you have the rights inverter, you can avoid the conversion losses.
It is true. I'm not trying to ugly, but what you posted above is a google copy n paste job. This is not reality because if it was, then Tesla's and EV's would essentially have full blown alternators constantly recharging the battery like ICE has. The technology along with conversion losses is no where near ready for primetime.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:07 am to billjamin
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billjamin
why do you hate poor people?
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:07 am to winkchance
Technology has to push the limits and boundaries. We’re much closer than we were 10 years ago, but we still have a long way to go til full adoption. And the emissions reducing aspects of the EV are null and void for right now since energy generation for the grid still creates emissions
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:09 am to Tomatocantender
There is an enormous amount of change that has to happen for EV’s to really be mandated by 2035 the way that the progressives are pushing.
I just don’t see that happening successfully by then outside of the major cities.
Too many material sourcing issues, massive expense to repair, not enough driving range, and not enough charging infrastructure.
I just don’t see that happening successfully by then outside of the major cities.
Too many material sourcing issues, massive expense to repair, not enough driving range, and not enough charging infrastructure.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 10:10 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:12 am to tigeraddict
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Add in the home charging stations.... for most americans, if you cant finance it or charge it on a card, they cant afford to buy it.
They cost about $500-$1000...
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Five months later, no part and no clue when it will be made. Six months later, I swapped EV for gas guzzling A7 and was told the EV part was being manufactured in...the Ukraine. Dealership told me last week still no part. We ain't ready.
The same issue is happening with parts for ICE vehicles
EV isn't for everyone at this point and most EV supporters aren't all for the government pushing them. The adoption should be organic and meet need. That being said, all of these "issues" everyone brings up has happened with all new technology. As the technology is adopted, research increases, manufacturing increases, prices come down. No one discounted GPS when it first became available to the public. Look where we are now.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:12 am to beerJeep
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I just wanna know how the poor folk who drive a 90s Camry is gonna be able to afford a new EV and then afford to have a home charger installed at their rental home/apartment
Read their playbook, those people will now longer be with us. Food rationing, covid and monkey pox will take care of the weak, poor and frail. #populationreductionbelow500Million
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:12 am to Tomatocantender
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It is true. I'm not trying to ugly, but what you posted above is a google copy n paste job.
what? I'm literally telling you about a system I have in West Texas. Also, since I've worked on quite a few solar deals and have reviewed hundreds of thousands of systems and technologies, I know enough about this to not need Google. quote:
This is not reality because if it was, then Tesla's and EV's would essentially have full blown alternators constantly recharging the battery like ICE has.
How are you comparing alternators to solid state PV modules? That's makes zero fricking sense.
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The technology along with conversion losses is no where near ready for primetime.
Let me explain this to you. With PV and a handful of inverters on the market, they intercept the DC before it's converted to AC and directly DC charge the EV off the PV to avoid the loss. Are there line, control, etc. losses? Yes. But the big one if the conversion and with these systems you avoid that.
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