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The Fermi Paradox and the Great Filter theory, wonderfully dumbed down

Posted on 7/24/15 at 11:51 am
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 11:51 am
For anyone who enjoys reading theories that blow your mind, I suggest you take a moment to read the following information about the Fermi Paradox and the Great Filter. The author has dumbed down the content enough for anyone with average intelligence to somewhat understand. It's a great read!

Fermi Paradox and Great Filter explanation


Just a few quotes that stood out (the entire piece is quotable, but I'll use just three to wet your appetite):

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A Type I Civilization has the ability to use all of the energy on their planet. We’re not quite a Type I Civilization, but we’re close (Carl Sagan created a formula for this scale which puts us at a Type 0.7 Civilization).

A Type II Civilization can harness all of the energy of their host star. Our feeble Type I brains can hardly imagine how someone would do this, but we’ve tried our best, imagining things like a Dyson Sphere.

A Type III Civilization blows the other two away, accessing power comparable to that of the entire Milky Way galaxy.

If this level of advancement sounds hard to believe, remember Planet X above and their 3.4 billion years of further development. If a civilization on Planet X were similar to ours and were able to survive all the way to Type III level, the natural thought is that they’d probably have mastered inter-stellar travel by now, possibly even colonizing the entire galaxy.



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Continuing to speculate, if 1% of intelligent life survives long enough to become a potentially galaxy-colonizing Type III Civilization, our calculations above suggest that there should be at least 1,000 Type III Civilizations in our galaxy alone—and given the power of such a civilization, their presence would likely be pretty noticeable. And yet, we see nothing, hear nothing, and we’re visited by no one.

So where is everybody? Welcome to the Fermi Paradox.





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Perhaps there are no super-advanced civilizations. And since the math suggests that there are thousands of them just in our own galaxy, something else must be going on.

This something else is called The Great Filter.

The Great Filter theory says that at some point from pre-life to Type III intelligence, there’s a wall that all or nearly all attempts at life hit. There’s some stage in that long evolutionary process that is extremely unlikely or impossible for life to get beyond. That stage is The Great Filter.

If this theory is true, the big question is, Where in the timeline does the Great Filter occur?

It turns out that when it comes to the fate of humankind, this question is very important. Depending on where The Great Filter occurs, we’re left with three possible realities: We’re rare, we’re first, or we’re fricked.



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Oxford University philosopher Nick Bostrom says that “no news is good news.” The discovery of even simple life on Mars would be devastating, because it would cut out a number of potential Great Filters behind us. And if we were to find fossilized complex life on Mars, Bostrom says “it would be by far the worst news ever printed on a newspaper cover,” because it would mean The Great Filter is almost definitely ahead of us—ultimately dooming the species. Bostrom believes that when it comes to The Fermi Paradox, “the silence of the night sky is golden.”






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Posted by sicboy
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Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 11:56 am to
Maybe it's me, but I always chuckled at the idea of a "prime directive" being in place in regards to humanity. We see ourselves as insanely tech'd out, but some superior aliens are like "careful Jim, you don't wanna frick with the inferior life forms, let them evolve in peace".
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 11:58 am to
While these theories are wonderful, it boils down to the simple, yet intriguing question - are we alone as sentient life in the universe or aren't we?

Either answer is amazing and terrifying. We might not be the first/only sentient life to evolve on this planet (but probably). The extremely unlikely set of conditions to even allow us to contemplate the universe in even a semi-educated way, and our place and future in it, is already mind-boggling.

In light of the fact such unlikely set of conditions has already occurred, the "sky" is the limit, from a potential standpoint.

And it really is just an energy question - all of it boils down to energy - energy is a proxy for everything and everything is a proxy for energy. Find a free/nearly free way to produce infinite/nearly infinite energy - and the universe changes, not just this planet and our species.
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 12:00 pm
Posted by ThePoo
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 11:58 am to
My favorite theory to learn up on at the moment is the one that suggests the entire universe is a hologram
Posted by link
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 11:59 am to
not trying to steal iAmbatman's thunder, but it's exactly the same as the wait buy why website that's constantly posted and linked. same pics and everything.
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 12:05 pm
Posted by rmnldr
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:01 pm to
What happens if we never see/hear anything?
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:04 pm to
Did any of you actually read the article?
Posted by HarryBalzack
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:05 pm to
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mizzoukills
This interesting and thought provoking.

Didn't know you had those abilities.
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:06 pm to
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My favorite theory to learn up on at the moment is the one that suggests the entire universe is a hologram



which is covered in the link that I posted in the OP...
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:08 pm to
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quote: Continuing to speculate, if 1% of intelligent life survives long enough to become a potentially galaxy-colonizing Type III Civilization, our calculations above suggest that there should be at least 1,000 Type III Civilizations in our galaxy alone—and given the power of such a civilization, their presence would likely be pretty noticeable. And yet, we see nothing, hear nothing, and we’re visited by no one. So where is everybody? Welcome to the Fermi Paradox.







Or



We were created by and are loved and protected by a supreme being, let's just call Him God.
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:09 pm to
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What happens if we never see/hear anything?



It means that we're either 1) the first advanced intelligent species in the galaxy, or 2) the other advanced species in the universe long ago perished due to hitting their Great Filter, or 3) other intelligent species in the galaxy understand that it's smarter to not make contact with alien species because it would probably be no different than when Columbus made contact with the native Americans, or even worse, a human crushes an ant hill without emotion or a 2nd thought.
Posted by HarryBalzack
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:11 pm to
Don't mean to spoil the surprise, but everyone dies in the end. Some die from heart disease, some cancer, others in car wrecks or work accidents. And, ultimately, we'll either hit this filter or be drawn into the sun. No one gets out alive.

Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:11 pm to
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What happens if we never see/hear anything?


We have, actually. That would be the "bigfoot" sightings. The ones seen today are the last of the civilization deposited from the newly found planet, which occurred not all that long ago in human history. Before this administration is out, "facts" will come to light and the discovery of a derelict spacecraft will be found. In it the bones/hair of a bigfoot - yes, a bigfoot. In fact, such thing has already been found. How, you say? Just think about the show "Finding Bigfoot." The squatcher shown below is actually a government plant who is to break us in to the idea of bigfoot at first, and then later onto it actually being an alien from the newly discovered planet, which is actually named Kashyyyk. This was "leaked" on an actually correct site much like The Enquirer. Think "Men in Black."

It will be a small leak at first with a well-documented sighting or two. By the end, a small colony will be found living on an island in the middle of a river in Florida. They will teach us how to make a buckle drive that makes travel across vast regions of space very quick by buckling space. Due to their small numbers and need to be hidden, they were never able to rebuild or remake their ship - after all, people do not act very nice when acting out of fear...

This guy has a theory on it:

This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 12:29 pm
Posted by LucasP
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:12 pm to
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let's just call Him God.


What if we decide to call him something else? You gonna blow anything up?
Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:13 pm to
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What happens if we never see/hear anything?


My best guess... nothing.
Posted by ThePoo
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:13 pm to
Ok?
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:14 pm to
quote:

We were created by and are loved and protected by a supreme being, let's just call Him God.



And that too is covered in the link, except the author dances around religion and replaces the word "God" with the word "rare".

What I mean is that whenever the author uses says something like, "Perhaps humans are a truly rare species that owe our existence to a miraculous chain of event of Earth that allowed life to form and eventually result in advanced civilation," one can plug God into that equation.

But to expand on that, a person of faith shouldn't be threatened by any part of these theories. I am a person of faith who believes in the great possibility of alien life. The discovery of alien life won't affect my faith in God.

Remember, God first said he created the "heavens" and then he created the Earth.

I interpret that as God saying, "Look, I'm extremely powerful. I created everything in the night sky and then I created your small planet. This is my testament for your small planet. There are testaments for many other planets as well. Obey me."
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 12:19 pm
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:16 pm to
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Our feeble Type I brains can hardly imagine how someone would do this, but we’ve tried our best, imagining things like a Dyson Sphere


Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:17 pm to
Agree 100%
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