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The Dutch have a prison problem, too many empty cells

Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:31 am
Posted by Ed Osteen
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:31 am
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While countries like Belgium, Britain, Haiti, Italy, the United States and Venezuela have grappled with prison overcrowding, the Netherlands has such a surplus of unused cells that it has rented some of its prisons to Belgium and Norway. It has also turned about a dozen former prisons into centers for asylum seekers.
About a third of Dutch prison cells sit empty, according to the Ministry of Justice. Criminologists attribute the situation to a spectacular fall in crime over the past two decades and an approach to law enforcement that prefers rehabilitation to incarceration.



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Thankfully, the US continues to lock up nonviolent drug offenders
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 10:33 am
Posted by fisherbm1112
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:32 am to
Send them some of our pieces of shite.
Posted by Golfer
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:32 am to
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Criminologists attribute the situation to a spectacular fall in crime over the past two decades and an approach to law enforcement that prefers rehabilitation to incarceration.


Not to a homogeneous, educated, small population that has severe limitations on who and for how long guests can stay in their country?
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:32 am to
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Criminologists attribute the situation to a spectacular fall in crime over the past two decades and an approach to law enforcement that prefers rehabilitation to incarceration.



When will we fricking learn?
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:33 am to
Same problem in Spain.
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:34 am to
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prefers rehabilitation
why not turn them into 30-60-90 day rehab centers?
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:34 am to
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Fill it full of refugees and turn on the gas.



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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:34 am to
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This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 10:35 am
Posted by Walking the Earth
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:35 am to
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When will we fricking learn?


A shitload of government and private sector jobs depend on us never learning.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:36 am to
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When will we fricking learn?
Well, I have a feeling the Dutch dont have as much pure violent crime that cant be rehabilitated like we do......

I am all for bullshite drug arrests to stop though
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 10:37 am
Posted by Saskwatch
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:36 am to
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prefers rehabilitation to incarceration


Generally doesn't work in this country. Recidivism rate is extremely high. Can be contributed to lack of job opportunity after conviction. However, a lot of the offenders didn't exactly have skills that relate to employment before being convicted.
Posted by dcrews
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:36 am to
United States and Netherlands are the same in every capacity and comparing crime issues is definitely apples to apples.......
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:37 am to
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has severe limitations on who and for how long guests can stay in their country?
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11% of their population was born in another country.

US is around 13%.

Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:38 am to
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Fill it full of refugees and turn on the gas.
Jesus Christ
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:38 am to
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Generally doesn't work in this country. Recidivism rate is extremely high.





We've never actually tried it.

The Dutch have work release programs and shite. The jails in the US just make people worse.

Clearly our countries are very different, but to even suggest the US has given any decent effort in this arena is farcical.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:39 am to
Yeah this place needs help.
Posted by Uncle Stu
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:40 am to
I dare the Dutch to take in a random sample of locked up prisoners from the US penal system to try and "rehabilitate" them with their process


different people, different background, different culture

the properties are not transitive
Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:41 am to
This place has gone soft
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:42 am to
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I dare the Dutch to take in a random sample of locked up prisoners from the US penal system to try and "rehabilitate" them with their process


To be fair, they'd already be "institutionalized" in the US.

A real experiment would be 1,000 first time offenders slated for hard time in the US that get to go to The Netherlands instead and do it their way.

Then compare results with 1,000 first time offenders slated for hard time that do it the US way.

Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:43 am to
We have completely different cultures. The Netherlands, a country known for tolerance. The United States: string bikinis, Tupac Shakur, and AR-15's.

The two aren't really comparable.
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