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re: The case against Travel Ball by Dr. James Andrews
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:19 am to mauser
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:19 am to mauser
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4) I don't think I ever enjoyed an organized ball game better than any of the countless pickup school yard games where no adult was around to frick it up.
I know what you mean.
It makes me feel old to say stuff like this, but I remember with I was in elementary to high school.
We could walk to the local school or park and just play. Basketball, football, whatever. There were always pick up games to be had.
Summer time you could do that from sun up to sun down.
Now when I drive by the same places that use to be full, they are completely empty. I am always surprised when I actually see kids playing outside today.
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Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:20 am to mauser
I played with a guy like that growing up. This was before there were 10 travel ball teams in every small town. He played American Legion ball during the summers, went to every college camp you could think of. His dad pushed him into being a star. And he was at our little high school.
Senior year he made the all-state team and thought he would get drafted. He was going to be at Atlanta Brave. He didn't. He ended up playing Division II baseball and is now the baseball coach at our old high school. From what I gather on the book of faces, he hates that he wasted his life on baseball.
Senior year he made the all-state team and thought he would get drafted. He was going to be at Atlanta Brave. He didn't. He ended up playing Division II baseball and is now the baseball coach at our old high school. From what I gather on the book of faces, he hates that he wasted his life on baseball.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:20 am to GeismarGeauxer
My son plays travel ball in the Spring (we are not a hard core travel ball team) and we recently (2 months ago) had a scrimmage with another local team. There was a little boy on the opposing team that was throwing curveballs at 9 years old and had been having private lessons with a local former collegiate player. Of course, we, as parents, were impressed at how our boys couldn't hit anything he threw (which was curveballs mixed with high velocity fast balls), but we also knew that our kids didn't need to be pressured into doing something that was potentially arm killing. Our coaches and parents aren't that dumb.
Needless to say, that kid had to have surgery on his arm the very next week.
Needless to say, that kid had to have surgery on his arm the very next week.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:23 am to Antonio Moss
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You make the faulty assumption that you are dealing with reasonable people.
I coached one year of 11-12 year old Dixie Youth about five years ago. The kids were fantastic. The parents.....most of them needed a checkup from the neck up.
This post was edited on 1/15/15 at 9:25 am
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:24 am to Cajunchick
Preface: I don't allow my son to throw real curve balls.
However, the studies show that a properly thrown curve isnt' the issue. A beginners curve doesn't put torque on the elbow. It's not a great curve, but it's pretty safe. It's actually the overuse of the pitcher and improperly thrown curve balls that are the problem.
Our park doesn't have no curve ball rules but I spend lots of time with coaches and parents discouraging them until they are older and have been taught properly.
However, the studies show that a properly thrown curve isnt' the issue. A beginners curve doesn't put torque on the elbow. It's not a great curve, but it's pretty safe. It's actually the overuse of the pitcher and improperly thrown curve balls that are the problem.
Our park doesn't have no curve ball rules but I spend lots of time with coaches and parents discouraging them until they are older and have been taught properly.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:27 am to FightinTigersDammit
Here is another great article on the fact that parents are deluding themselves.
Yes, completely deluding themselves.
LINK
Yes, completely deluding themselves.
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I don't care if your eight year old can throw a baseball through six inches of plywood. He is not going to the pros. I don't care if your twelve-year-old scored seven touchdowns last week in Pop Warner. He is not going to the pros. I don't care if your sixteen -year-old made first team all-state in basketball. He is not playing in the pros. I don't care if your freshman in college is a varsity scratch golfer, averaging two under par. He isn't playing in the pros. Now tell me again how good he is. I'll lay you two to one odds right now - and I don't even know your kid, I have never even see them play - but I'll put up my pension that your kid is not playing in the pros. It is simply an odds thing. There are far too many variables working against your child. Injury, burnout, others who are better - these things are just a fraction of the barriers preventing your child from becoming "the one."
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:28 am to roadGator
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its a money grab around here
certainly is a big part of this industry…the money grab part…fueled by Parents who haven't grown up and have no lives outside of pretending to be Tony Larussa on the weekends or being the dad of Albert Pujols so they can brag to their friends. I really just walk away when someone starts talking about their kids travel teams. I literally turn the other way and walk off.
This industry is very similar to vanity publishing. people who want to be authors but don't have the talent. so they write a shitty novel and pay to publish it themselves. they buy 20 copies and hand them out to people. then talk about their books.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:29 am to roadGator
Andrews says a kid shouldn't throw a curve ball until he can shave, FWIW.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:33 am to Cajunchick
We play travel ball, and my kid already knows how to throw four pitches perfectly. He gets to haze the park ball scrubs at school, and I get to brag to family, neighbors and coworkers on how awesome he is at baseball. I don't see a problem here.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:33 am to FightinTigersDammit
I agree with him. The literature I can find about the subject suggests that it isn't about the curve. It's about overuse.
I think he saying why risk it though. I'm in the same boat.
I think he saying why risk it though. I'm in the same boat.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:35 am to FightinTigersDammit
When I played Dixie League baseball (there was no Little League in town) you couldn't throw a curve until you were in the 13-14 year old group.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:37 am to roadGator
quote:It is a money grab everywhere.
It's a money grab around here and from what I read it's like that in many places. Coaches getting paid $170/month ++. It's just crazy.
Every team goes to the "World Series". There are 500 World Series tournaments around our country every year.
It is a racket.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
We didn't let our kids throw a real curve. We did allow one kid to throw a spike curve.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:38 am to GeismarGeauxer
My kid will be trained like Tiger Woods
If he doesn't like it, IDGAF, it's my only route to being able to play Augusta a lot.
So it's happening, no matter what some quack doctor says about it/
If he doesn't like it, IDGAF, it's my only route to being able to play Augusta a lot.
So it's happening, no matter what some quack doctor says about it/
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:38 am to GeismarGeauxer
Vlad and his fellow Dominicans did just fine playing with a stick and milk carton and no travel ball.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:40 am to Scruffy
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There are 500 WS tournamets each year…every team goes to a WS
I need to go into the ring making business. I guarantee you those dumbasses are buying rings for their WS teams. probably $100-$250 per ring, 20 rings per team plus coaching staff and wannabe parents….$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:42 am to FightinTigersDammit
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spike curve.
What's this? Beginner's curve ball? Spins like a top spin tennis shot? 12-6?
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:46 am to roadGator
You dig the nail of the forefinger into the ball and throw it like a fastball. Puts a little wrinkle on it. Mussina threw a version of this.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:48 am to FightinTigersDammit
Same arm motion as the fastball?
2 or 4 seams?
2 or 4 seams?
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:50 am to Tiger Ryno
quote:Travel ball parents have to be on the lower rung as far as IQ is concerned.
I need to go into the ring making business. I guarantee you those dumbasses are buying rings for their WS teams. probably $100-$250 per ring, 20 rings per team plus coaching staff and wannabe parents….$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Scruffy laughed his arse off when he heard that they were doing rings now.
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